Clorox joins in the green clean fight - Page 2

Edited by organicgal007 - Sun, 4 May 2008 17:47:16 UTC

I think I'm going to end this right here.  My child had severe asthma...I tried everything...Method, Miessence, Biokleen, Nature Clean, Seveth Generation, Ecover....you name it I TRIED it.  So I resorted to vinegar and lemon  and slowly watched my furniture be eaten away (small price to pay for my child's well being).  I now use the Shaklee Basic H2 for EVERYTHING in my home, and have no problems.  No you're not supposed to eat it....but if you're child accidentally got into it (as my friend's daughter did...and drank some of it) you would thank GOD that it can be ingested and cause no harm.

 

As for saying Shaklee Jumped on the "green" bandwagon with their cleaners, well you are sadly mistaken.  Their first biodegradable cleaner was released in 1960...so you should actually be thanking them for setting the precendence to all the other brands you are naming.

 

I have NO problem with any Green cleaner people choose, I was simply stating my preference and sharing my story.  A 16oz bottle of Basic H2 makes 48 Gallons of all purpose cleaner for under $12.00, I'm sorry I just have not found anything that the

 

I said they are the only GREEN SEAL certified cleaner out of all the household cleaners that you are mentioning today.  Yes, there are other certification or seals out there but Green Seal usually only certifies industrial cleaners as they need to be the most effective.  The Basic H2 is certified as it can be used industrially as well.  It is a very well respected certification to obtain and takes a long time to acheive.

 

You can hate Shaklee all you want, but I think before you start bashing things left and right you should do more research on what the foundation of things represent.  I don't necessarily like Shaklee as a whole company either, but I find they have mastered a product over the past 50 years that is unsurpassed, and I feel they will fall in line with the rest of their products as well. 

 

As for Eathmama Kylie....you are happy that a company (Clorox) that produces one of the most harmful and deadly chemicals on the planet has brought you a new green clean option but Shaklee is a scam?  Hmmmm?

 

Anyway no need to counteract again....we get you DONT like Shaklee.   I do and I was sharing is all!

 

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Edited by stins - 4/2/2009 at 09:30 pm

Wow, I think you've taken this a little far.  I am not a Shaklee rep, I just use the product.  I don't "rip" apart any companies, I was just saying none are perfect by far.  Just as you have your opinion, I have my own. 

 

Everyone has their choice in product and company, this just happened to be mine and you just keep going on about it.  I have done all my research trust me, and I know about organic certification, I work for a premier organic food service in Manitoba and own my own company.

 

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Edited by stins - 4/2/2009 at 09:32 pm

 

I just saw over on Treehugger that a representative from the Sierra Club spoke up in defense of their position.

 

Check it out: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/green-works-sierra-club-answers.php

 

"Some have called our endorsement greenwashing. But the bottom line is that the Green Works products are environmentally safe, made from corn- or coconut-based cleaning agents, essential lemon oils, and other natural ingredients; they contain no toxic chemicals, phosphorus, or bleach, and are hypo-allergenic. They do not use aerosol and did not involve animal testing.

And they're affordable and available to mainstream America."

How can an endorsement be greenwashing?  That's just silly.

 

I think it would be good if the Sierra Club also endorsed some smaller green cleaners (i.e. Seventh Generation, Biokleen, etc.), but I don't see anything wrong with them endorsing the Clorox green line.  It will help encourage more big companies to make green products.

With all this debate going on I went out the other day and bought the Green Works Toilet Bowl Cleaner and Bathroom Cleaner.  They were aroung $3.25 each at Albertson's (Grocery Store).  My 9 year old son and I cleaned up our 3 bathrooms on Mother's Day as part of the great day for Mom - they worked just fine ... actually better in that there were no harsh fumes or weird feelings in your skin as you used them.  (Stins - I will post reviews as well :-)

 

I jumped in on this forum just to hopefully give a slightly different angle on things.  Yes - I have BioKleen and Method and others in my home... but almost none of my neighbors do.  Most folks out there have no clue as to even the concept of what a "green" cleaner is.  If they have lemon oil furniture polish they think they are saving the planet.  Anything we can do to spread the knowledge and awareness of what crazy chemicals are actually in the cleaners generally in the common home the better.

 

... and think of this:  We all blog, scream, e-mail, complain, etc. about how our major corporations are leading the way in the destructive path our civilization is on ... yet, when one does something actually postive and good (ie: Clorox, of all companies, comes out with a good, safe, green cleaning line) many of us raise our fists and say "No! They can't do that!".  Huh?  If they don't, what do we think will happen?  You think "any green company" is going to put Clorox out of business?  ... unlikely.  Clorox will probably buy them like Burt's Bees.  If the big companies don't change, we are all dooomed.  So, I, for one am happy to see Clorox come out with this line of products.  It is selling fantastic which is great for the green movement because that means that Jane and John Public is buying it - likely someone who did not buy green cleaners before because they were either too expensive, or they did not know where to look (very few people acutally research this stuff on the net like we all do). 

 

If we want positive change in this world, we need to embrace it when it happens.  The sales trends that are happening right off the bat with thisGreen Works line is blowing away their expectations.  Perhaps in 24 or 36 months you will see far less bleach on the shelf in the Clorox section, and more space given to Green Works products ... and that, my friends, IMO would be positive change we can all embrace.

 

Here here SoCal! Also - GREAT idea for the mother's day gift.

I agree - good points and nice mother's day present.

 

I agree. We should be happy when a company that has been making such pollutants for so long, has finally woke up and decided to try the clean green approach. There are several other companies I would love to hear had such a wake up call. Maybe the green bug will bite a couple other big polluters.

I just finished reading Stirring it Up (upon organicgal007's recomendation) and it opened my eyes to all those companies we disdane are the same companies that are going to help us clean up the environment. What a weird turn of events, but much needed.

For a cleaner to be green in my opinion it has to list all of its ingredients.  Terms like "plant-based,"  "all nautral" "biodegradable" and "nontoxic" have no legal meaning.  List your ingredients and let us decide for ourselves.  All other claims are meaningless.  Clorox joining the green cleaners to me is like cosmetic companies putting pink ribbons on their products even though they are full of carcinogens which they refuse to remove. 

 

 

I also boycott Clorox and since they've merged, BurtBee's too.

 

(even though I really liked Burt Bee's products)

I totally agree with you ladies talking about what it takes for a company to really be green as far as labels and listing ingredients goes! I also avoid clorox (although i was never so hot on burts bees so this wasn't the sacrifice it probably was for some of you) my hat goes off to you, I completely agree

I wanted to also add that those with stone countertops like quartz or granite should only be cleaning them with products that have a neutral ph.  None of the Greenworks products have a neutral ph and can damage natural stone countertops.

So far most of Biokleen's product line and also Bayes products have a neutral ph.  I'm still researching others.

The All Purpose Cleaner by Greenworks is neutral and has a ph of 7.0 according to the MSDS.

For fear of restarting the brand feuding I tip-toed through several posts up, I'll just ask you to visit www.livetotalwellness.com/JCarroll and request more info on the company I work with if you're interested.

The company has been in business for 24 years and STARTED out with a mission to manufacture safer, healthier, more eco-friendly products that don't cost more than grocery store brands. My wife and I have been customers for 5 years and think they've succeeded quite nicely with that mission.

Again, I'm not going to mention the company name because I don't want to restart the brand-feuding, but also because I work for this company as an Independent Marketing Executive (I don't sell products, just market the company), and according to policy am not allowed to advertise using their name. I think from Shaklee reps posts above you can see why this is a good idea.

Anyways, visit my website or email me at robbie.carroll@shaw.ca with "Ecohuddle Post" or some such thing in the subject line if you're interested, as I'd like to see who on this site has heard of my company before and whether or not you've tried our products.

To throw in a quick line about the Clorox discussion... I'll have to admitt I partially agree with both sides - "Boycott them cause they still make bleach" and "Love them cause they're going in the right direction". I guess the decision we all need to make is whether we want to shop with our heads down or try and make a difference with where we shop. Supporting a company whose entire product line is "green" probably gets more done than supporting a company whose "green" products are only 1% (or whatever greenworks is) of their business, and the rest is toxic.

Don't be fooled by pretty labels or "green" product names, people!  We're smarter than that!  Clorox is still using substances in their products that are not safe for the environment (and probably not us, either).  I've been using Citra Solv cleaners for more than 10 years, and can't say enough about them.  The people who make this stuff are the real thing, and they've been doing "green" before it became the popular thing to do.  Everything is natural, cruelty-free and SAFE.  Best of all, it smells really nice (especially the lavendar stuff).  Can you tell I'm a fan?!    Check out their website; there's no subliminal messages, no hidden agenda, no big push, just a good, "clean" product line.
http://citra-solv.com/

To the post made on 9/2/09 by FB user (private) I wish to know who you work for.  Your company sounds great, The one I work for sounds almost like it.  I followed your link and will add my info and such. I do not wish to put my link up here if you work for the same comopany, I don't want to intrude on you :-)

To all else, there are really companies out there that sell only the highest quality eco-friendly household products! I love the ones my company sells, they work awsome!