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post #1 of 10
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Some really fascinating polling data

 

"To see just how remarkable the Figure 3 data is, compare it to Figure 1. In 1997, some 52% of Dems said the effects of global warming have already begun and 52% said most scientists believe global warming is occurring. In 2008, now 76% say warming had begun and 75% say most scientists believe warming is occurring. Makes sense. Dems believe most scientists.

 

As for Republicans, in 1997 some 42% said warming had begun and 48% said most scientists believe warming is occurring — a modest 6 point differential. By 2008, the percentage of Republicans saying the effects of global warming have already begun had dropped to a mere 42% (an amazing stat in its own right given the painfully obvious evidence to the contrary). But the percentage saying most scientists believe global warming is occurring had risen to 54% — a stunning 12 point differential.

 

In short, a significant and growing number of Republicans — one in eight as of 2008 — simply don’t believe what they know most scientists believe."

 

This coincides with a recent study that concluded Republicans are more likely to believe misinformation is true after they're shown proof that it's false.

 

Really weird stuff.

post #2 of 10

Uhhh....

 

That's really odd.  I guess maybe that 42% thinks that scientists are in cahoots with...the ice caps?

post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by stins:

Uhhh....

 

That's really odd.  I guess maybe that 42% thinks that scientists are in cahoots with...the ice caps?


 

Actually it's 12% of Republicans who think that both

 

a) Most scientists believe global warming is occurring, and

b) The effects of global warming have not begun

 

It's now 58% of Republicans who think we're not feeling any effects of global warming.  Which is really quite mind-boggling.  I mean, if you want to argue as to what's causing global warming, that's one thing.  But to claim we're not experiencing any global warming effects when the global temperature has increased 0.5°C in the past 30 years, the Arctic set a new record melt last year and almost matched it this year, sea levels are rising, glaciers are vanishing, and so on and so forth...that's pretty hard to explain.

 

The only explanation I can think of is that these 58% of Republicans just associate anything related to global warming with 'hoax', 'scam', etc.  So even though we're clearly experiencing the effects of global warming (again, regardless of cause), when they hear the words 'global warming' in the question, they automatically associate 'hoax', 'scam', etc. and answer negative.

 

As for the 12% who think scientists believe global warming is occurring and yet don't think so themselves, that illustrates a clear distrust of scientists which I find hard to comprehend.  Probably the result of listening to too much (any) Rush Limbaugh.

 

And again there's this lack of differentiation - I don't think there are any scientists who think global warming isn't happening.  There are a (very) few who disagree about what's causing it, and some debate as to how bad the consequences will be, but no debate that the planet is warming.  Yet 46% of Republicans think scientists think otherwise.

 

Again I can only guess they're associating 'global warming' with 'hoax', 'scam', etc. and ignoring the details and specifics of the questions.  Which to me indicates a pretty brainwashed mindset.


Edited by dana1981 - Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:51:55 UTC
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by dana1981:

Actually it's 12% of Republicans who think that both

 

 

Oh, haha...that'll teach me to speed read.  Apparently I'm not very good at it...


Anyway....12% is not as ridiculous as 42%, but that's still quite a few people.

post #5 of 10

I would love to know where these people live. I would put good money on somewhere like the mid west where climate change is seen as meaning shorter winters. (To which we are all meant to say "Yay".)

 

I didn't see much in the news here, but the New Zealand media is reporting that the ozone hole is going to be the largest on record this year. It's a great example of an issue where people just don't care because they aren't the ones getting skin cancer.

post #6 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by dana1981:
Quote:
Originally Posted by stins:

Uhhh....

 

That's really odd.  I guess maybe that 42% thinks that scientists are in cahoots with...the ice caps?


 

Actually it's 12% of Republicans who think that both

 

a) Most scientists believe global warming is occurring, and

b) The effects of global warming have not begun

 

It's now 58% of Republicans who think we're not feeling any effects of global warming.  Which is really quite mind-boggling.  I mean, if you want to argue as to what's causing global warming, that's one thing.  But to claim we're not experiencing any global warming effects when the global temperature has increased 0.5°C in the past 30 years, the Arctic set a new record melt last year and almost matched it this year, sea levels are rising, glaciers are vanishing, and so on and so forth...that's pretty hard to explain.

 

The only explanation I can think of is that these 58% of Republicans just associate anything related to global warming with 'hoax', 'scam', etc.  So even though we're clearly experiencing the effects of global warming (again, regardless of cause), when they hear the words 'global warming' in the question, they automatically associate 'hoax', 'scam', etc. and answer negative.

 

As for the 12% who think scientists believe global warming is occurring and yet don't think so themselves, that illustrates a clear distrust of scientists which I find hard to comprehend.  Probably the result of listening to too much (any) Rush Limbaugh.

 

And again there's this lack of differentiation - I don't think there are any scientists who think global warming isn't happening.  There are a (very) few who disagree about what's causing it, and some debate as to how bad the consequences will be, but no debate that the planet is warming.  Yet 46% of Republicans think scientists think otherwise.

 

Again I can only guess they're associating 'global warming' with 'hoax', 'scam', etc. and ignoring the details and specifics of the questions.  Which to me indicates a pretty brainwashed mindset.


Edited by dana1981 - Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:51:55 UTC

 

I wonder if what's going on is that Republican ranks have "thinned" over the time in question, so that what's left is a smaller sample of idealogues.  In other words, the types of people who indentify themselves as being "Republican" have grown more conservative, and there are fewer of them, so that even though the fraction of Rep. deniers increases, the true number of them is decreasing.  So while in each survey they found 1000 Republicans, in the second they had to interview 10,000 people to find 1000 Republicans, instead of 5000 to get 1000 before.  Just a thought. 

post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

That might be playing a role.  Still, there's been such an increase in Republican denial according to these polls that I don't think just thinning numbers can account for it.

post #8 of 10

How come us independents are always left out of polls? Has anyone seen a poll like this that included independents?

post #9 of 10

 thats the adversarial 2 party system for you dawei. i vote liberal (they being the nearest to an anarchist party ...sorry old joke) or green party on the few occasions there has been someone standing, and so i also get left out of these statistics. roll on proportional representation.

post #10 of 10
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Yeah I'm registered Green Party so I get left out of the statistics too.  I've only seen Democrats vs. Republicans in these kinds of polls.

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