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Ironically, size of August Arctic sea ice melt exceeds the size of Alaska

post #1 of 16
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Via PlanetSave

 

Ironically, in the same month that Sarah Palin and her views on global warming (she doesn't believe humans are causing it) come into the limelight, the Arctic sea ice melt rate breaks the previous record for the month of August, and the amount that melted over that month is larger than the state of Alaska (which, coincidentally, is very close to the Arctic).

 

While the North Pole won't be ice free this summer as some scientists predicted was a possibility, it may still break last year's record melt despite being a significantly cooler year.  Further details at the link above.

 

I just love irony.

post #2 of 16

But DANA The warming of the arctic is substantially a case where non-human causes predominate.

 

One can argue that human causes set this warming in progress, but having large areas of arctic water ice free and absorbing sunlight is not exactly a human cause even though it may have been tipped that way by human activity.

 

Having large areas of the arctic water exposed to sunlight would have the same effect regardless of what the original cause of warming had been. And yes, this has happened before when human activity was not a factor.

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By that logic you could say no global warming is the fault of humans.  Well yeah we emitted all that CO2, but it wasn't until it got up into the atmosphere that it warmed the planet!

 

Sorry, I'm not buying it.  Just because we're an indirect cause doesn't mean we're not a cause.

post #4 of 16

its even scarier, because we sarted it but its now out of our control.

post #5 of 16

Not many upsides to this one, but one that comes to mind is the fact that this topic is now out there before the general public and people are beginning to become informed and achieve some level of awareness.  That's crucial to getting cities, states and nations aboard the greater issue, human contributions to climate change.  It helps that the media is doing a better job now of putting the information out there, so one doesn't have to search it out like was the case just a year or two ago.

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That's why I'm okay with the commercials and such about polar bears.  I know it's a pet peeve of Dawei, but for whatever reason, polar bears resonate with people.  Sure they should be concerned about climate change for any number of reasons, but if it takes melting Arctic sea ice and polar bears to actually make them concerned, then so be it.

post #7 of 16

it works on me. i am normally pretty practical and non-fluffy about ecosystems, but i have been in tears over polar bears found drowned. big mamals are always going to evoke more empathy as they are impressive and on our scale. thats why they get used more often as totems, clan animals and so on.

post #8 of 16

the thing is the advert with the polar bears is causing many people to look at it and go, "well who cares, there right next to ice anyway" some people are too small minded to realise its an issue!

I live with several of them, but i dont like to preach about it, so im constantly turning the heating down, and other such energy saving initatives. People my age (20) just dont really seem to care!

and personally i worry about the effects of a large scale ecocoline movement, and the extictions, rather than the fact there dying. It shouldnt just be about the polar bear, it should be about educating people better, so they understand the implications.

i do have a feeling the only way climate change can be sucessfully tackled is through education.


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post #9 of 16

Yeah I guess the bears give people a reason to care about the ice itself, rather than just seeing it as an indicator of warming. Actually though, people who care about global warming solely to save the bears tend to annoy me almost as much as the ones who say "why should I care about polar bears". I guess it's better than nothing though. If it weren't for polar bears, and Coca-Cola commercials to make them look cute, I doubt there would be as many people saying "save the sea ice" as there are now preaching about "saving the polar bear."

 

I just hate it that these less educated proponents of AGW tend to be the most vocal (ie, dressing up in polar bear suits), which makes the still unbiased folk think Arctic extinction is the most serious effect, or even the only effect, of AGW.

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by dana1981:

Via PlanetSave

 

Ironically, in the same month that Sarah Palin and her views on global warming (she doesn't believe humans are causing it) come into the limelight, the Arctic sea ice melt rate breaks the previous record for the month of August, and the amount that melted over that month is larger than the state of Alaska (which, coincidentally, is very close to the Arctic).

 

While the North Pole won't be ice free this summer as some scientists predicted was a possibility, it may still break last year's record melt despite being a significantly cooler year.  Further details at the link above.

 

I just love irony.


 

Sadly you are mistaken as Scientists dropped the ball and continue to mislead the public to ensure that their Grant Money doesn't dry up. I used to work with these people and I know how it works. It's ALL about research dollars and nothing is more important so even if they are researching something real stupid, they still fight tooth and nail to secure those funds.

 

griv.net/GrivNet/viewtopic.php

 

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by griv:


 

Sadly you are mistaken as Scientists dropped the ball and continue to mislead the public to ensure that their Grant Money doesn't dry up. I used to work with these people and I know how it works.

 

 

No, I am not mistaken.  This discussion is from September.  And no, you didn't work with these scientists.  And no, I'm not really interested in discussing your paranoid conspiracy theories.

post #12 of 16

I am not mistaken and to call me a liar is so predictable. You lack facts and your arguments are child like so you have to get personal. No I'm not but what are you. Geez.

You have zero clue how Scientists work with Grant Money so you pretend what I am saying is some kind of conspiracy. Ha ha It's a little like being a lobbyist but that might be too big a leap for you to make considering.

 

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post #13 of 16
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Look, we get it.  You hate scientists, you hate liberals, you think everyone is out to get you.  Your point is made.  Now go make it elsewhere please.

post #14 of 16

I hate scientists? Does pointing out reality constitute hate? What are you 13? Science and Scientists are essential and frankly I love science. But the truth is the truth, don't be afraid of it. Don't get angry and deny reality. Life isn't black and white, it's more shades of grey than you can imagine so try not to form that yes or no, black or white attitude or the real world will pass you by.

post #15 of 16
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Here are two quotes from you.

 

"The last volcanic eruption in South America a few months ago released more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than what humans have since the dawn of mankind."

 

"truth is the truth, don't be afraid of it. Don't get angry and deny reality."

 

'Nuff said.  And yes, "pointing out" slanderous lies about scientists is likely based on a strong dislike of science and scientists.

post #16 of 16

So, I explained that but you ignore it.  I will concede the "from the dawn of time" statement but essentially the main point is that you people crying over CO2 emission are laughable. The entire world is laughing at you and you just don't get it. There is no man made global warming and the world laughs when every conference seems to get cancelled due to extreme cold that is "somehow caused by global warming". I laughed at you 30-40 years ago when the ice age was nearly upon us. Yon made the price of peoples deodorant go up but that's all that came out it. You remind me of the flat earth society. he he he

 

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