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post #31 of 46

 Totally, she gives the only answer she can -- a rote, robotic one!  She admits in her answer to the first question that she's only been involved at a local level.  Oy vey.

post #32 of 46

I felt sorry for her in that interview. She was so obviously in over her head.


What was with the when "Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska." comment?



post #33 of 46
Originally Posted by kiwi:

I felt sorry for her in that interview. She was so obviously in over her head. 

The thing is, she always seems in over her head. I just watched the interview that Dana linked to above... and it was truly painful.


In contrast, watching the debates last night, I felt McCain did a solid job. He was forceful, direct, and largely answered the questions that were posed to him. Barrack, for the most part, did too. 


I really hope that the media can get the Republicans to let Palin out of her cage. It's obvious why they don't want to, but I really hope they'll be forced to.

post #34 of 46
Thread Starter 

As for the Russia flying into Alaska - it's just a total joke.  She's arguing that her foreign policy experience is entirely hypothetical.  If Russia were completely stupid and forgot the Cold War were over, then they'd fly over Alaska.  OMG!  It's just amazing that Palin/McCain won't drop this stupid 'Alaska is close to Russia...and Canada!' ruse.  People just aren't that stupid.


Palin is proving to be a really stupid choice for VP.  Every time she has an interview she comes off looking waaaaay out of her league.  So the McCain campaign tries to keep her away from the media, but that's not doing her any favors when it comes to the debate next week.


Plus after the presidential debate, Biden was interviewed on every major network.  Palin was nowhere to be found, McCain's camp instead represented by his campaign manager.  She can't even handle talking to the press about how the presidential debate went!  That's the easiest job ever - all you have to do is babble about McCain's experience.


I really can't wait until Thursday.  I just hope Biden doesn't come off as condescending or too harsh and make people feel sorry for Palin.  That's pretty much her only chance.

post #35 of 46

Yeah, and I worry that there are plenty of people out there who will feel sorry for her. The same people who think that being shown to be incompetent in the media, is just another example of how the media is so 'liberal'.



post #36 of 46
Thread Starter 

Or that asking her any hard questions is sexist behavior.  Which is bizarre, because it's okay to ask Hillary tough questions, but not Palin.  Nice double-standard.


Palin scares me.  She may have attempted to ban books in Wasilla, she was blessed against witchcraft by a pastor who had persecuted a woman he proclaimed to be a witch in Kenya, a pastor and blessing who she credits for playing a big role in her becoming governor, she signed a budget which made women pay for their own rape kits and medical exams in Wasilla - but she never has to answer questions about this stuff.  She's frightening.  For all we know she's a complete nutjob, but because she avoids the media, there's no way to know!  And because she's a woman, she can get away with avoiding the media by playing the sexism card.

post #37 of 46

so I didn't read through all the replies yet, but wanted to respond.


I really feel like palin was choosen in an attempt to garner the female vote. I nolonger feel that McCain is a viable option to me, because I can not risk voting for him and if something happens having Palin end up president.  I was researching her just the other day and just could not support her as president. On the flip side, where I was conserned about Obama's inexperience, I feel that Biden does balance that out a little more now. I like Biden and am happy with most of his political views and past choices.


I also had a second when I was deciding all this were I said isn't that strange. I'm not voting for who will be president really, I'm voting for who will be vp. but I guess that's just how things are working out for me this election.

post #38 of 46
Thread Starter 

I agree - this year the VP picks are more important than usual.  The main criticism of Obama is that he's too inexperienced, so it was important for him too choose a VP who could help advise him.  He did that.  One main concern about McCain is his age and health.  There's a significant chance he could die in office, so it was important for him to pick a VP who would be ready to take his place.  Clearly he did not do that.


Further, the choices reveal a lot about the candidates' judgement.  Obama made a wise choice.  McCain made a rash, risky choice.  Since then, he's made a series of other similarly rash choices (i.e. suspending his campaign to address the bailout - except he didn't actually suspend anything).


So it's not just the VP nominees themselves, but also what their choice tells you about the presidential candidates.  That McCain was willing to put politics over country is enough in itself to make me question whether I could vote for him.

post #39 of 46

How relevant is experience though?


Imagine a terrible manager who has been working somewhere for 10 years and an excellent manager who has been working somewhere for 3 years. Both have a minimum level of competence to be in the job, but there is an obvious difference between them.


post #40 of 46
Thread Starter 

President is a slightly more demanding job than manager ;-)  Palin doesn't know diddly squat about any aspect of foreign or national policy.  She's not just inexperienced, she's unprepared and unqualified.

post #41 of 46

I couldn't agree more. I think she is in way over her head, and it too caught up in the 'liberal earmarking elite are what is wrong with this country' rhetoric to realise it. That and I just don't agree with any of her polices. ;)


But I don't think experience alone is enough to rule someone out. I've heard many an argument that some of the best Presidents were relatively inexperienced, and that some of the worst were incredibly experienced.

post #42 of 46

GIBSON: And you didn't say to yourself, "Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?"

PALIN: I didn't hesitate, no.


(from an interview with Charlie Gibson)


"I didn't hesitate, no?"  Really, Palin?  Because if I was a first term governor of one of the smallest states in the US (by population), I would hesitate, as sure as I breathe.  Honestly, how could someone in good conscience take on that position when she is so clearly (as so many of you have said) in over her head?  How could you even dream that that would be good for the country?


Or take this clip for example....


She can't even list by name any of the magazines or newspapers she that's in over your head.

post #43 of 46

Just one more thing...


Couric: What's your position on global warming? Do you believe it's man-made or not?

Palin: Well, we're the only Arctic state, of course, Alaska. So we feel the impacts more than any other state, up there with the changes in climates. And certainly, it is apparent. We have erosion issues. And we have melting sea ice, of course. So, what I've done up there is form a sub-cabinet to focus solely on climate change. Understanding that it is real. And …

Couric: Is it man-made, though in your view?

Palin: You know there are - there are man's activities that can be contributed to the issues that we're dealing with now, these impacts. I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate. Because the world's weather patterns are cyclical. And over history we have seen change there. But kind of doesn't matter at this point, as we debate what caused it. The point is: it's real; we need to do something about it.


(from the transcript of the Couric interview)


Uh huh....

post #44 of 46
Thread Starter 

Well, I certainly hope Palin did hesitate in reality, but as a politician she's just putting up the front that 'oh no of course I didn't hesitate because I'm just so damn prepared to be VP'.  It's one of those answers where you have to say no, because if you say yes, it gets people thinking 'well if she's not even sure she's ready to be VP, then maybe she's not'.  It would be nice if politicians could be honest about that sort of thing.


As for the magazines/newspapers - that's definitely sketchy.  Her answer was basically 'oh I just read so many of them...', but come on.  I read a lot of newspapers, but I could name at half dozen of the top of my head too.  How can you not name any?  And why not name a few even if you don't really read them?  She was probably scared that she'd be judged by what she reads (for example, if she cited the NY Times [liberal] or Washington Times [conservative]).  My guess is that her lack of response here was due to her history of screwing up answers in the few interviews she's done.  The less you say, the less you can screw up.  Once again we go back to the fact that she never offers details in any of her answers, and the few times she tries to go beyond her talking points, she says something stupid.


As for global warming, that's a bunch of malarkey.  She changed her position because it went against McCain's position and it's a politically untenable stance.  And if we're not causing global warming, there's nothing we can do about it!

post #45 of 46

not that there's any need to continue to kick a woman while she's down, but...


Wow. Just Wow.



Just stellar.

Edited by deej - Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:23:59 GMT
post #46 of 46
Thread Starter 

Hah yeah I saw that the other day.


And comedians thought Bush gave them great material.  All you have to do to make fun of Palin is repeat what she says verbatim!


One day to the debate.

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