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Triac tryouts to begin this October, deliveries in November - Page 2post #31 of 7510/18/09 at 9:02pmpost #32 of 7510/18/09 at 9:48pmHere is a new one to me: http://www.eliomotors.com/ Zaps and Zenns are 100% electric, along with velomobiles and they are available now. Or Miles, Elektric Kurrent, GEM, or something like a used Think. Depends where you live- I wanted a newer City-el which came from Denmark but when the company sold to Germany; the US imports stopped. Th!nk (made in Norway) is trying to get in the US.
Outstanding number of electric vehicles available but some are hard to find (or are taking their sweet time getting here)!post #33 of 7510/18/09 at 10:24pmpost #34 of 7510/19/09 at 8:13pmQuote:HaHaHa! My exact thought! But Eco, Elio, Alius, VentureOne, Comet, or whatever, just might fool us and jump right out of the rendering phase!
You never know! The latest news from from EEStor / Zenn appeared tonight:
but I just don't know if that unchanged Zenn frame can handle much more of anything!
This summer a GEM is in and out of a shop here due to frame problems, and that 2003 Zap PU (last one here I think) vanished. I E-mailed for location and further info about that Eio - I hope I don't get an E-I-E-I-O response .post #35 of 7510/20/09 at 9:42pmpost #36 of 7510/21/09 at 6:36amWell, no Triac yet :(
The latest excuse is that they are having difficulty doing an alignment on the front end because it is a three wheeler. I was told they need to make a jig in order to do it and that is what is holding it up.
Turns out there is an ev shop (Green Car Co) that is becoming a dealer near me in Bellevue Wa. Green Car Co was suppose to get there’s last week as part of there agreement in becoming a dealer. They told me that Green Vehicles is sending up there prototype for the beyond oil conference in Redmond Wa this weekend since Green Car Co's is not done either. I sure hope I can at least see the prototype before it goes back to cali.post #37 of 7510/21/09 at 12:51pmpost #38 of 7510/22/09 at 6:46ampost #39 of 7510/26/09 at 6:11am
I went to the "Green Car Co" in Bellevue Wa. this weekend, and there it was the Triac in the flesh, or should I say fiberglass. To my surprise it was not proudly on display with the other ev's in the display room. Almost as if they were ashamed of it. The Triac was through a large opening into the shop where they repair cars, and had dust all over it from the shop.
The car was sent up from Green Vehicles for the "Beyond Oil conference". They were told that it is a prototype, and there’s was not ready yet. I am a little skeptical though. The prototype I am used to seeing is the older body style with the center headlight. This one clearly looked like one of the 7 that were shipped here from China two months ago.
Green car co was so disappointed in the quality of the car that they did not even take it to the conference. I did see some things that clearly were not good quality in the interior panels. One of the indentations in the plastic near the cup holders was so thin there was a hole in it big enough to stick a couple of fingers in. There were also a couple of places where two panels come together that the black plastic was rough, and had white showing where it was either cut , or the black had just been rubbed off.
I was able to sit in it and one of my fears turned out true. My head hits the roof :(. I am not sure what can be done about that. The seats sit in contact with the battery box, so they can not be lowered. It might be possible to adjust the seat position and angle to get around the problem. No one was there that knew anything about it.
I am anxious to here what Ehab from Green Vehicles has to say about there car as well as mine.post #40 of 7510/26/09 at 8:15ampost #41 of 7510/26/09 at 11:57am
There are two ways I can think of to fix the head room issue. One would be to remove the sliding mechanism under the seat, and bolt it directly to the box. That would give me at least an inch more head room, although the seat would not go forward and back. not a big issue since I will be the only one driving it.
The other would be to look into the possibility of raising the car up by modifying the suspension, and lowering the battery box. this would be a big job, and only used as a last resort. The amount raised would not make a noticeable difference on performance.
I can not really make any kind of decision until I get mine and really see if there is a problem with the head room.post #42 of 7510/26/09 at 3:38pmNot a very good idea to mess with the alignment by raising the car. Lowriders here lower their cars usually 3" and practically ruin the alignment! The sane might be true raising the car. One possibility is reclining the seat back until your head doesn't touch.
I am so sorry to hear about the questionable Triac. I am wondering about quality of Eco Motors Commuter 3-wheel car now. It is not electric (650cc gas, I think) but has power everything and air conditioning to boot. It too is going to be a China built vehicle. How I wish the US would design and build (in large numbers) a 3-wheel car on our own soil!post #43 of 7510/27/09 at 8:43am
Thanks for the input Chris, I am only considering altering the suspension as a last resort. I believe adjusting the seat might work, but if not I think removing the sliding mechanism under the seat will be adequate.
The problem with tilting the seat back is that the top slopes down. I tried this in the prototype, and it did not do much good. Untill I get mine I will not be able to play with the seat positions. By the way, i just got an email telling me mine will ship by Nov 6thpost #44 of 7510/27/09 at 9:17pmThis was a pleasant surprise: Green Vehicles is moving assembly to Salinas:
Picture of a Triac. I heard about building an EV on Salinas TV, but I don't know if they will build or assemble.post #45 of 7510/28/09 at 12:05pmpost #46 of 7511/5/09 at 10:03pmpost #47 of 7511/11/09 at 5:16amWell I am really starting to get worried. I have just heard that the production Triac is not going to make it to the Seattle auto show the 11th thru the 15th. I was told that the delivery is now pushed out into December because they are busy moving there production facility to a different city.
It turns out that the VIN# that Green Vehicles gave me is a fake. It is not for one of there vehicles at all. It turns out it is a VIN# off of a Smart car.
I have been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but am afraid they have been stringing me along.The company is also going after state and federal money. I am sure this is were they are putting all there effort. Ehab told me the schedule got pushed out because he was busy with acquiring the use of the new building for his production facility. I find it hard to believe that the mechanics that were working on the Triac had to stop because Ehab was trying to work out the details of moving his production to a different city. There are only about 7 of these Triac’s that are here, and it was only suppose to take about two weeks to finish building them after they got here, and that was about 2 1/2 months ago.post #48 of 7511/11/09 at 8:48amGeez that sucks Boppster. It's just delay after delay after delay, and the fake VIN is bizarre. Green Vehicles needs to get their act together and realize that the first step is to get the already sold vehicles delivered! Pissing off your first customers is not a good way for a company to get started. And I agree, I don't see why working out the details for a move to a new production facility would slow the existing vehicle production. Green Vehicles needs to shape up.
This discussion is entitled 'deliveris in November'. That was of 2008, so they're already over a year behind schedule. It's a year and a half now since they ran their ad claiming the Triac was "now available". Sorry, but to me that's just unacceptable.
Edited by dana1981 - 11/11/09 at 8:58ampost #49 of 7511/12/09 at 6:25amWell it turns out that the VIN number was in fact a good number. My insurance company wrote it up as a smart car because the Triac was not in there system. The first time I confronted them with the problem they assured me the VIN number was in fact for a smart car. I went back, and there was someone there that actually new something and cleared it all up.I did get a message from Ehab at Green Vehicles, and it said that my Triac was going to ship out on Monday. I will not get my hopes up. This is only about the 5th time he has predicted a ship date.I had a dream last night that I got my Triac, and the range was only 25 miles. I guess dream is not the correct word. it was a nightmare.All I can say is frangabarskaborgasnorch.post #50 of 7511/12/09 at 8:27ampost #51 of 7511/13/09 at 8:06pmThat sounds as bad as Zap treated a Santa Cruz dealer: lawsuit proceedings, Zaps only EV experienced mechanic left, and Zap is pretty much banned here. I was hoping Triac would make it where Zap didn't. Green Vehicles does not seem popular in Salinas; but time will tell. Just taking way too long! I would be chewing nails by now. The only EV available here is a 25 mph Zenn.post #52 of 7511/15/09 at 4:46pmQuote:
That Salinas radio station has been announcing all weekend how terrible electric cars are for the environment compared to SUVs; show will be Nov. 16. I am afraid Green Vehicles just hit another wall! To each their own.... I sure wonder how anything gets done with ClearChannel against it!post #53 of 7511/16/09 at 6:12amYou will no longer be getting updates from me :(
Nothing like an Attorney to conduct business like this. It may not be a scam like I feared, but they waited until the last minute to send me paperwork that I had to sign in order to be an early adopter.According to the confidential agreement I will sign I can not disclose anything about the vehicle and its performance. I also can not make any disparaging comments about the vehicle, Green Vehicles, or there employees.My vehicle is going to ship out Today, and I should get it Wednesday.I am sure I will be happy with it, and Green Vehicles. I am not sure why the secrecy but to each there own.I wish everyone well in there EV endeavors.post #54 of 7511/16/09 at 8:36amWhat?! That's insane. In other words, if the Triac performs terribly, Green Vehicles doesn't want anybody to know about it. You're also not allowed to say anything if the vehicle performs great, which basically means it won't.
That is a massively huge red flag. Good luck to you Boppster, but my opinion of Green Vehicles has gone into the toilet through this process. To have a year and a half of delays and then not allow customers to discuss the car's performance is just insane.post #55 of 7511/16/09 at 9:38amWhat an unfair business shocker Boppster. I am so sorry. The talk show this morning commented about "electric cars being all hokum" and only "that type of transportation is only for coal burning idiots" but without real-life experience from people like us this type of getting around will be very one sided to almost everyone. Most likely this excellent type of vehicle will have a very difficult time.
Zap faded away here, GEM and Zenn vehicles still in town have aluminum frame problems, Aptera is still "pie in the sky". and Tesla is rarely seen. Pretty confusing time in the EV world!post #56 of 7511/16/09 at 10:44ampost #57 of 7511/16/09 at 12:43pmSorry for the confusion. I did have the choice to buy the Triac without signing the non disclosuer. I am perticipating in an "Early Adopter" program which enables me to get the second year warenty free, and I will be working closely with Green Vehicles to make sure that everything is working properly and make improvements as needed. This is very important in making sure the Triac is the best they can make it. I am able to comment if I get Green Vehicles permission, but that would not be good data because they probably would not let me point out problem areas like if the range was not what was expected.
I still believe I will have a good experiance with Green Vehicles, I just will not be able to share it :(
post #58 of 7511/16/09 at 1:01pmIt still seems weird to me that they won't let you comment on the vehicle performance as part of this program. If you said "'x' went wrong and Green Vehicles did 'y' to fix it", that would be good information for a potential customer to know. I don't see what the value is in keeping this information secret.post #59 of 7512/9/09 at 8:20amGreen Vehicles in Salinas is very mysterious to me. An assembly line photo was shown on the TV news of an unannounced 4-wheel vehicle. A Green Vehicles line? Who knows! What vehicle is that? Who knows! Being so candid perks my curiosity, but after a while sends me elsewhere. I just can't understand the secrecy! But Ford Motors can thank them. :D Ford was *here/now* so I bought one.post #60 of 7512/11/09 at 6:42amI have had my Triac for almost three weeks and it is such a treat to drive over my ZENN. It is such a difference having Lithium over Lead Acid batteries. I have gone on several round trips of about 50 miles, with the lights on, and heater running full bore. The temps have been in the low 40’s, and the range was good. I think the range of 100 miles looks to be accurate at 45 MPH with out the heater, although the heater does not seem to affect it much. I have not done a full range test yet.
I am having a little difficulty with the state of charge meter though. Green vehicles is working the issue. They have been WONDERFULL to deal with as far as support. If I had a problem with my ZENN it would be a minimum of 1 month to get it fixed, and on average probably 6 weeks. At times It felt like the ZENN was down about 50% of the time I had it in the first year.
The head room in the Triac is fine. I had originally thought there would be a problem, but I was wrong. Driving an electric stick shift is very different though. Not in a bad way, just different. You have to use the clutch to change gears when you are moving unlike what people have been telling me. You do not have to put in the clutch when stopping. You simply come to a stop in what ever gear you are in, and then shift it into 1st or 2nd. I usually start in 2nd if it is on level ground. If there is a hill I will start in 1st. Because the motor is so quiet you do not know exactly when to shift. That took some getting used to. I use the speedometer to give me an idea of when to shift. Following is my general rule of when to shift. This is based on trying to keep my amps down to increase range.
I found that I stay in 1st gear until I get to 10MPH, then I shift to 2nd. I stay in 2nd until I get to 20MPH, then I shift to 3rd. I stay in 3rd until I get to 30MPH, then I shift to 4th. I stay in 4th until I get to 40MPH, then I shift to 5th. I use 5th for above 40.
The fastest I have gone is about 65MPH, and I was pleasantly surprised. I was thinking there would be a lot more vibration, and it might wander a little. I was surprised to find that it road the same as if I was going 25MPH. I felt no difference. I can let go of the steering wheel, and it goes perfectly straight, no wandering.
The charge time with 110 is a bit lengthy though. A 50 mile trip usually takes me about 10-12 hours to charge. I just got my 220 cord and am looking forward to charging in much less time. I am told that if the batteries are down all the way it will only take about 5 hours to charge with 220
Everyone seams to really like the look of it though. I was thinking people would find it to be odd looking.
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