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Flex-Fuel Kits Convert Toyota Prius to E85 Ethanol (For Less Than $1000)

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Dutch firm Green Fuel Systems, along with several other companies, has developed flex-fuel conversion kits for the Toyota Prius that cost less than $1,000. Converting our existing fleet to second-generation ethanol could be the best near-term play to directly replace fossil fuels.


Although the concept of a hybrid/biofuel combo has been around for a while, it has (at least in our minds) mostly been in the form of diesel hybrids running on biodiesel (which isn’t going to happen). But what if we could take America’s most fuel efficient car and convert it to run on another domestically-produced renewable fuel: cellulosic ethanol?


It looks like that’s what Green Fuel Systems and a handful of other US-based companies want to do. Although ethanol has been beaten to a pulp by mainstream media, non-food based feedstocks (like switchgrass) are in the pipeline and could be seriously producing in the next five years.

 

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Well an interesting article, but why make a conversion now for a fuel (cellulosic ethanol) that won't be widely available for at least 5 years?  In the meantime corn-based ethanol would be an option, but it may not be any more environmentally friendly than gasoline.

 

Also, why do you think the article says hybrids running on biodiesel "isn't going to happen"?  Maybe the VW Golf diesel hybrid isn't coming to the US, but I think it's a bit premature to write off diesel hybrids in the US altogether, especially now that clean diesel technology is advancing.


Edited by dana1981 - Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:01:40 UTC
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You can get very inexpensive conversion kits on the web for any Prius.  They run anywhere from 300.00 to 800.00.  I have a link to on such kit on my website.  www.poorfarmgreen.blogspot.com  I'll be happy to answer any questions that you have.

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Modern non-Flex-Fuel cars can handle up to 15% ethanol. Any more ethanol than that will break down the seals, gaskets and lines which can become high performance parts.

Flex-Fuel cars have special seals and such to ensure they can handle ethanol content at 85% (E85 fuel)

 

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Originally Posted by khooper:

Modern non-Flex-Fuel cars can handle up to 15% ethanol. Any more ethanol than that will break down the seals, gaskets and lines which can become high performance parts.

Flex-Fuel cars have special seals and such to ensure they can handle ethanol content at 85% (E85 fuel)

 

The Chevy Volt concept had an ICE which was flex-fuel (ethanol)-capable. It is a (serial) plug-in hybrid. However, the production model may turn out a bit different than the concept. They've already dropped the turbo which was featured on the concept in favor of a normally-aspirated ICE. I believe Saab's engineers (GM's Swedish subsidiary and experts on turbocharging and ethanol) were working with GM engineers on integrating the flex-fuel and turbo components of the Chevy Volt concept.

 

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Edited by Admin - 3/3/2009 at 02:39 am
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Originally Posted by khooper:

Modern non-Flex-Fuel cars can handle up to 15% ethanol. Any more ethanol than that will break down the seals, gaskets and lines which can become high performance parts.
 

You have faulty information.  Cars made after 1983 can handle up to 50% ethanol with NO conversion kit.  Cars with conversion kits can handle E100.  It is MYTH that it will break down the seals, gaskets, and lines.  BIG OIL likes to sustain this MYTH. 

 

Here is more info from the Coast to Coast AM show that David Blume was on March 3, 2009.  I quote from their website:

 

In the second half of the show, alternative energy advocate David Blume shared updates on alcohol fuel and related topics. Big oil companies are starting to take control of independent fuel markets, he warned, citing the case of oil refiner Valero, which is buying the corn ethanol plants of bankrupt ethanol producer VeraSun. Such bankruptcies are related to the manipulation of futures contracts, he explained.

Cars can actually run on up to 50% alcohol without any conversion process, he noted, adding that plants such as sweet sorghum and cattails offer a much higher yield for fuel than corn. Blume announced a series of workshops on alcohol fuel that he's conducting around the country.


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