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Treehugger's Top 7 Electric Mopeds

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Thread Starter 

Being an electric moped enthusiast, I was happy to see Treehugger write an article on what they consider the 7 best electric mopeds (including prototypes).  They had some good ones on there, including the Vectrix and Zapino, but I was a bit disappointed that the R Martin EVD wasn't on there, since I think it's better than most on their list!

 

They did have some nice stats though, like 30% of Americans have said they would consider riding a scooter--even some people we wouldn't expect to--and sales of scooters up by 200%.

post #2 of 9

Hey Dana,

 

Do you need to have a motorcycle license to drive your R Martin? I recently learned that with 50cc (gas burning) mopeds and scooters you don't need one but for 150cc you do. I'm not sure how that gets determined with electrics (maybe top speed?).

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Yeah I do, but the laws vary by state.

 

In California, for electric mopeds you need a motorcycle license to ride any that go over 20 mph, unless they have pedals.  For some reason if the moped is capable of 20 mph but has pedals, you don't need a motorcycle license, but no pedals and you do.  It's dumb.  But certainly for a 50 mph moped you do.

 

In fact, technically the EVD is a motorcycle in California, because mopeds are by law limited to 30 mph.  For a moped you need an M2 class license, for a motorcycle you need M1.

post #4 of 9

Hello all. this is Randall with R Martin Limited. I want to reply to the issue of licensing. It does vary by state.

 

We have recently had two states that we sent information to because they have never classified electrics under their motor vehicle laws. You may run into this with any electric that needs to be licensed. We provide a letter that describes the EVD to the state by request.

 

Some states use the number of CCs and/or cylinders and the HP rating while others use the MPH. The HP rating is normally on the MCO (Manufacture Certificate of Origin) provided with the product. If you purchase from a dealer, they use this document to apply for a Title (You know - the tax,title,license charge). If you purchase directly from an importer or distributor, you will have to apply for the Title yourself with the MCO. You will pay the tax and licensing fee directly to your tax office.

 

Now the numbers for our EVD. Like all electrics, there are zero cylinders and zero CCs. Less than 50 CCs is classified as a moped in some states. There are zero cylinders. The HP is rated at 1hp for 750 watts. So our EVD at 3000 watts is 4hp. The federal classification for this is a "motor driven cycle". Some states will use this and call under 5 hp scooters mopeds.

 

The final parameter that states use is the speed. Our EVD reaches 50 mph and soon we will have a model that does 60 mph. This makes the EVD a motorcycle in many states.

 

The best thing to do is to check with your DMV or tax office. Tell them the product you want to license is under 50 CCs and the HP. Also tell them the speed. They should be able to let you know the classification for your state.

 

Randall from R Martin Limited

www.rmartinbikes.com

www.electricbikedistributor.com

 


Edited by rms401 - Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:45:20 UTC
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the info Randall.  By the way, I'm really enjoying the EVD.  It's pretty sweet!  As a matter of fact, one of my co-workers is condering getting one too.

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Hi. I'm 14 and I was wondering if I could drive a Moped in california (around Coto de Caza large gated communtiy and Rancho Santa Margarita) Please Reply back thanks! Please mention other laws too!!

post #7 of 9
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You could probably drive one around a gated community without any problems.

 

If you want to drive it around in the city, you can only do it if the moped has a top speed no higher than 20 mph and pedals.  If it can go faster than 20 mph or only goes 20 mph but doesn't have pedals, then you need a license or at least a permit, which you can't get until you're 16.  Or maybe you can get the permit once you're 15.  I forget that part.

 

Was there a particular moped you had your eye on?

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Originally Posted by breanna247:

Hi. I'm 14 and I was wondering if I could drive a Moped in california (around Coto de Caza large gated communtiy and Rancho Santa Margarita) Please Reply back thanks! Please mention other laws too!!

 

The vehicle code is really easy:12500.  (a) A person may not drive a motor vehicle upon a highway, unless the person then holds a valid driver's license issued under this code, except those persons who are expressly exempted under this code.

(b) A person may not drive a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or motorized bicycle upon a highway, unless the person then holds a valid driver's license or endorsement issued under this code for that class, except those persons who are expressly exempted under this code, or those persons specifically authorized to operate motorized bicycles or motorized scooters with a valid driver's license of any class, as specified in subdivision (h) of Section 12804.9.

 

With regard to whether the California Motor Vehicle code is enforceable upon any private or semi-private roadway, in general, motor vehicle laws are enforceable on the roadways in gated subdivisions and neighborhoods. There are exceptions truely privately owned and manitained roads that are not dedicated to public use and are clearly marked with signs that they are private; but most are considered public for the purposes of the vehicle code and emergency vehicle access.  The likelyhood of a citation is related to whether you have frequent police patrols in the neighborhood or if the neighbors complain to authorities.  The use of ATVs, motorcycles and mopeds on private land and privately owned driveways however is clearly allowed.

 

Basically it comes down to the fact California regulates who may operate motorized bikes, mopeds and motorcycles the same as for any other motor vehicle.  You can get a learners permit at 15-1/2 years if you enroll in drivers education.  I'm not sure if the links will reproduce, but many provisions of the vehicle code applicable to motorized bikes are below:

 

21220 Motorized Scooters: Legislative Intent
21220.5 Motorized Scooters: Definition
21221 Operation of Motorized Scooters
21221.5 Operation of Motorized Scooters: Driving Under the Influence
21223 Operation of Motorized Scooters During Darkness: Equipment
21224 Motorized Scooters Not Defined As "Motor Vehicles"
21225 Motorized Scooters: Local Regulations
21226 Motorized Scooters: Maximum Noise Level
21227 Motorized Scooters: Operation Requirements
21228 Operation of Motorized Scooters: Driving At Less Than Normal Speed of Traffic
21229 Operation of Motorized Scooters: Bicycle Lanes
21230 Operation of Motorized Scooters: Local Regulation of Bicycle Paths, Trails, or Bikeways
21235 Operation of Motorized Scooters: Prohibitions

 

400 Motorcycle
405 Motor-Driven Cycle
406 Motorized Bicycle
407 Motorized Quadricycle and Motorized Tricycle
407.5 Motorized Scooters: Manufacturer Disclosure
408 Motor Carrier
410 Motor Truck
415 Motor Vehicle


Edited by cirquerider - Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:55:40 GMT


Edited by cirquerider - Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:32:22 GMT
post #9 of 9

Great info Cirque! Thank you

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