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The EV-Hater's Guide to Hating Electric Cars

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Steve Harvey  has a very snarky post over at plugincars.com. Why DO some people hate electric cars so much?

Here goes:

 

 

Electric vehicles are a sales flop and a dismal failure. Or so I was told this week—and last week and the week before—by respected newspapers.

The “sales flop” part surprised me, since I am one of thousands of people waiting in line to buy my electric vehicle. I made my reservation for the car in April 2010, and am hoping for delivery by April 2012. If a car has a two-year wait list, is it a sales flop? Nevermind.

The latest article’s author, like the others, conveniently left out the part about the long waiting list. And he left out a few other things as well. Maybe these folks are just too busy to check their facts. Or, maybe something else is going on.

Electric Citicars

To a true EV-hater, the image of an electric car will always be the small, underpowered battery-powered vehicles from the 1970s. Preferably, the EV will be depicted on a flatbed truck, getting towed after running out of electricity.

Whatever the reason, the media often has an irrational disdain for electric vehicles (EVs). And a similar disdain is common among the general population too. The same EV-hating arguments are repeated ad nauseum in the media. After analyzing the key arguments of the EV haters, I have compiled what I believe is the first-ever EV-Hater's Guide to Hating Electric Cars. If you really hate EVs—and you know who you are—then this Top 10 guide is especially for you.

First, commit these truthy facts to memory:

1. EVs are totally overpriced. 
Point to the $109,000 Tesla Roadster supercar as your only example. If you’re forced to compare prices with a Nissan LEAF—in the mid- to high-20s after tax breaks—then perform a lengthy comparative cost analysis contrasting the LEAF to a $12,000 gasoline car to prove that the EV is more expensive.

2. Plugging them in will crash the grid.
Forget that most electric car charging will occur during off-peak times. And forget that the EV charger on the Nissan LEAF draws a modest 3.3 kilowatts. Just for fun, make the grid-crashing claim while your 4.4-kilowatt clothes dryer is running.

3. EVs are worse for the environment than a gasoline car.
It’s not true, but if you say that often enough, people will believe it. Then roll your eyes and point out that producing electricity for an EV emits pollution too. And what about those batteries? Imply that they’re made out of poison that will pile up in our landfills. Depending on who your audience is, you might also mention that carbon dioxide is a fictional gas invented by the liberal elite.

4. EVs are just a status symbol for eco-snobs.
Remember, the EV is always a symbol for something that you hate. It's not a car.

5. EVs are a sales flop.
Never mention the huge unmet demand and the production bottleneck. Never mention the long waiting lists. Small sales numbers in the first few months of introduction prove that no one wants to buy one. Period.

6. Shout it: Limited range!
This is the one gripe about electric cars that is actually true, so get all the mileage out of it you can. Associate limited range with the word “anxiety.” Say it again: “Anxiety.” See how delightfully negative that word makes you feel. And if an EV-lover mentions that gasoline cars can run out of fuel too, just look at them like they’re crazy, and then change the subject.

Golf Carts

It doesn't matter how much electric horsepower the latest electric cars offer, ALL EVs are golf carts.

Now, swear (on a stack of Hummer owner manuals) that you’ll never talk about these things:

7. NEVER mention fuel costs. 
Just don’t go there. A typical gasoline car will burn about $20,000 worth of gasoline over it’s 128,500 mile lifetime, while an EV will run the same distance for less than $4,000 of electricity. If people start mentally adding that extra $16,000 to the cost of their gasoline car, it’s game over.

8. Never mention timing belts.
I just spent $1,500 getting one replaced in my gasoline car. Of course, an EV owner will never have to do that. Similarly, oil changes and other costly maintenance are a non-issue with an EV. Keep that quiet, okay?

9. Never mention the luxury ride quality.
People spend tens of thousands of dollars extra for gasoline cars that have a smooth and quiet ride. An even smoother and quieter ride is standard with an EV. Avoid mentioning that, and remember to mutter something about golf carts.

10. Never mention the future. 
The cost of an EV will go down by thousands in the years ahead as production costs fall—especially the cost of the battery. Along with the cheaper price will come longer range, faster recharging, more choice, better performance, and other improvements. EVs are price-competitive already. In a few years, EVs will be a distinctly better value than gasoline cars. Shhh. Just keep saying that they’re too expensive.

There you have it, EV haters. Please don’t bother to take an electric car out for a spin to see for yourself, or to ask an EV owner about the real-world experience of driving an electric car.

Add more reasons why EVs suck in the comments below. And spread the word.

About Steve Harvey: I live in St. Louis, where I work as a physician. When not thinking about electric cars, I like to read about paleontology and tend to my trilobite collection. My father and grandfather both worked in the oil industry, so I grew up thinking about oil, and was always aware that oil is coming to an end. I am currently waiting for an electric car to replace my gasoline-powered car. As a Missourian, this will be a long wait.

 

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Funny, but truth hurts! In 2007 I bought a used EV (3-wheel 48 volt City EL).  I also ought a hub motor for my trike in 2007.  The City-EL was problems since day one, so I sold it.  One week later it broke a serpentine drive belt.  I am certainly not an EV hater, but I do not want any more.

 

Although slipping badly; I rode my EV trike last week- slips so bad it will not sell for $1500.  On this building design where I now live- no outlets to charge batteries are in the garage, so EVs are out for me.  Trike is in storage 1 mile away where there is an outlet.

 

This morning [9-24-11] that Triac EV failure in Salinas hit the news here: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_18967766  After Aptera, Alius, Zenn, Zap, Th!nk, Zap Zebra & PU (to name a few that faded away; EVs are sure fighting an uphill battle.

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Okay here we go, you did ask for it. So forgive me for Trolling a bit.
First the bad things....
1: EVs are over priced.  For the size and power of the car, they are overpriced. But price is a matter of opinion, so lets ignore that.
2: Plugging in everyones  EVs will crash the grid. You mention a 4.4 kilowatt dryer and a 3.3Kw charger.
  Fast chargers use more, but lets run the maths on an optimistic 3.3kW shall we?
    200 million cars (just go with that), every night, for say, 5 hours. so that's an extra BILLION kilowatt hours per hour. Everyone needs at least 1 hour of recharging. Where do you think that power will come from? Most likely coal. Eco friendly cars!
3: Lead-Acid batteries. Lead poisoning and acid. Ni-Ch batteries? Nickel poisoning. So you're wrong again with your satire. 
    Not too mention the intensive mining to get those poisonous metals
6: Limited range!!!!!  This kills EVs. Even though most trips we do are way under 50km, we want the ability to go long trips without buying a second car!
     Oh no! Im running out of battery power, I know, lets pull over for a convenient 4 hour stop on our vacation. Every day. And if we run out on the highway? Quick, fill up this jerrycan with lightning.....
7: Fuel costs. Okay, power is much cheaper! I can see the money signs already!
Wait, you mean batteries wear out?? I have to replace my battery pack every 10-15 years? And thats going to cost $10,000 (or more)?
Oh that big expense sounds very cheap, sign me up!

Okay, the points you get right:
4: Snobs? Prius owners? Well, sales are sales!

5: Sales Flop? Right price with none of the above problems and you can sign me up!
8: Timing belts. True! Never really thought of this. But not sure how you paid $1,500, you got ripped off buddy.
9:Ride. Sure, but what boy racer wants an engine that makes a quiet high pitched whine? 
  Fast and furious sewing machines? I dont think so....
10: Future. Heres were i hope things get better! Sort out the bad bits and the future will be brilliant for the buzz karts!

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2 months later; that hub motor slipping (especially on hills) was just too much- making pretty useless trike.  I cannot sell it slipping, so it is taking up room locked up in a "bike room".  Out of sight / out of mind.  Someday I will part it out.  3 electric trikes were for sale when I thought about selling it, so I bought an electric trike that does not slip.  Unlike cars; EV trikes can be pretty cheap.

 

But I have seen 1 Leaf, 2 Teslas, 2 Volts 1 Zap Zebra, 1 Zap P.U., and saw that famous Triac here!  In fact; an old Commutacar is for sale on Craigslist from my area.  There is still hope!

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The environmental arguement is actually a little more complicated. I think you gave a fairly accurate summary, but an ineresting point is that the amount of CO2e emitting based on the electricity used actually varies greatly depending on which region you charge you vehicle. In California, the Leaf is certainly better for the environment than a Prius, but when you charge up in Colorado, the Prius actually emits less CO2e than the Leaf. For most of the US, the leaf is a better choice, but not everywhere.

Another point to consider is that as renewable energy portfolios grow across the country, the electricity used to charge the Leaf will actually get cleaner over time. So I guess that's another reasons to encourage the us of EVs.

I enjoyed your article. Thanks for the post!
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The environmental issues and concern do warrant merit. The fact that electric vehicles are pricey is supported in the idea that they will pay for themselves though the necessity of not requiring fuel. nonetheless, these vehicles do require a great deal of power, power that would be added on to individuals existing home power needs. While it is not a huge concern for us at this point, we do need to recognize the possible effects on the globes energy sources if we all were to switch to electric vehicles. Essentially individuals need to decide whether or not they really want to provide change to our environment or change to their pocket books. At this point in time it is true, EV's will save individuals money down the line and suck up energy while we struggle in the world to produce it but they also produce less air pollutants to our environment. The challenge is a double edged sword but its one that comes with consequences shall we decided to combat this issue individually with EVs.

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