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Natural ways to thin blood, avoid blood clots and deal with ulcers

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Ok, one of the mamas in Green Organic Natural Simple Living on cafemom is at high risk for lupus and also thinks she has a stomache ulcer from the aspirin, so was asking about natural ways to deal with both the risk of blood clots and ulcer. Because of my heart issues and also having an ulcer I already knew a bit about that and was able to direct her to some good easy sources. Here's my reply to that, but I though I would just post it in this forum too in case anyone here can use the info. Or has anything helpful to add.

Something i didn't think to add in the post was to see a chiropractor, keeping things aligned helps with blood flow and reduces risk of clots.

here's an easy to print list of foods that are ok when you have an ulcer and don't bother it further. and here's a printable list of foods to avoid-

when you have an ulcer it's easier on the lining if you eat several smaller meals instead of a few large ones.

there are many foods that might help thin your blood or prevent blood clots, many of them though can have negative effects on the lining of your stomach, so it might be a bit fo a balancing act. here's a good article on foods that can help naturally thin your blood-

exercise can also really help to keep blood moving, thin it out, decrease hormone and toxin build up in your blood (which increases the chance of blood clots) and etc...

make sure you're getting plenty of water, being dehydrated can greatly increase the risk of blood clots.

and the last thing I can think of right now is yogurt! even though ulcers are often caused by bacteria and yogurt has live bacteria cultures there is evidence that the particular cultures found in yogurt actually combat the ulcer causing kind of bacteria.

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Glad to see you back KayMMIV!

I would hope that you use a medical doctor as well. Some of the things you mention sound like professional attention is needed. 

I like chiropractors for a situation where my back is out but "Something i didn't think to add in the post was to see a chiropractor, keeping things aligned helps with blood flow and reduces risk of clots." They are not trained in this area (maybe self trained) and it is well out of their area of expertise.

Self medication as you mention can be quite dangerous.

The books written should have a precautionary statement regarding this point.
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the point of what i posted was just to give tips and possibilities. although i will mention that it is anyone's legal right to treat themselves medically exactly as they wish with or without the supervision of a care provider as it is their body and their health and their choice. I will also mention that while i hope people seek care providers, i don't personally feel that conventional doctors are always the best care providers to seek and know that most in the natural world agree with me, especially when you start to actually look at factual data and statistics, statisitics in fact often say that conventional care is exactly where one should NOT go in america. i was merely mentioning various helpful tips and fact and things that could help and like i explained that was the origonal question that what i posted was a reply to. which is why i mentioned what i did- espcially with the chiropractor doctor, as that is fact that better alignment does decrease the risk of blood clots. 

I did want to address what you said about doctors who practice chiropractory because they often do have experience and can offer help, treatment and advice on a multitude of conditions- from blood pressure to pregnancy, nerve damage to pain, allergies to asthma- and all without prescriptions, ask your chiropractor about some of these conditions and you'll be amazed at what they can do to help and what they know, what they are all trained to know about how alignment effect health and what certain adjustments can do- not self trained, but trained as a chiropractive doctor- there's a reason they are doctors. The idea that a chiropractor is only for when one's back is out is a HUGE misconception. In fact survey data consistently says those who see a chiropractor for more common health concerns either alone or in conjunction with seeing a conventional doctor feel healthier, happier with their care, feel they udnerstand their care better and actually feel their conditions improve more positively over their counterparts who only see conventional doctors for more common concerns. Chiropractors can give adjustments that will help ease up asthma episodes and attacks (in fact just the other day I went in during an asthma attack and my chiropractor was able to explain how the nerves connect from the spine to the lungs and by adjusting them correctly can ease the spasms from the lungs that attribute to asthma attacks, and it really did help, almost immediately) chiropractors can really help with allergies and sinuses, to the extent of being able to prevent putting tubes in ears when they would be otherwise needed- something currently being done for my own son by our chiropractor. Chiropractors can even give adjustments that will help reduce or stop premature labor in pregnancy. I know first hand that chiropractors can help with high blood pressure and high heart rate (just think about it rationally, if you are out of alignment then so are your muscles, your arteries and your veins, this causes added pressure on your blood flow, which translate to added pressure on your heart and added blood pressure. it's only rational) but anyways, the list goes on and on. I know you didn't ask for that info but you comment about chiropractors only being for if your back is out was so far out in my realm of medical knowledge I felt the need to address it.

Anyways the point of the original post was providing the info, I tried to be fairly clear about that in what i said but i'm sorry if I was not. i don't believe anywhere that i wrote anything that gave the feeling or idea that this is all you need to do to treat or that i was placing myself as a care professional with expertise in this situation or that i was doing anything else that was more then providing info. nor was anything i said outside the realm of actual fact. I was simply posting a discussion in a discussion forum.

thanks for the welcome back.
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I hope you know that Chiropractors ARE MEDICALLY TRAINED in the same exact classes as conventional "medical" doctors.
Chiropractors can diagnose the same problems as an MD.
It would be nice for you to know that chiros do more than just crack a back.
They are responsible for much more healing than just that.

IMO, they can do more than a general physician, because they know all the same things, but they can actually adjust you and know about chiro, which a general physician does not know. So the chiros are 1 up on your "pump 'em full of antibiotics" general physicians.
post #5 of 11
 Definitions from the net:

A health professional trained in chiropractic; chiropractors do not perform surgery or prescribe drugs; of 50,000 licensed chiropractors in the US, many practice 'straight' chiropractic, ie lumbar manipulation, believed–a belief shared by some mainstream physicians–to benefit Pts with low back pain

(The American Chiropractic Association)

What is Chiropractic? (excerpts from the document)

Chiropractic is a health care profession that focuses on disorders of the musculoskeletal system and the nervous system, and the effects of these disorders on general health.  Chiropractic care is used most often to treat neuromusculoskeletal complaints, including but not limited to back pain, neck pain, pain in the joints of the arms or legs, and headaches.
Doctors of chiropractic may assess patients through clinical examination, laboratory testing, diagnostic imaging and other diagnostic interventions to determine when chiropractic treatment is appropriate or when it is not appropriate.  Chiropractors will readily refer patients to the appropriate health care provider when chiropractic care is not suitable for the patient’s condition, or the condition warrants co-management in conjunction with other members of the health care team.

My opinion:
Everyone is free to obtain the type of medical care they prefer. There are quacks in all types of medicine as you read in th paper daily.

If I have a back problem I go to a chiropractor as I believe they are best suited - it may take several visits to find one you feel OK with. If I have a different type of medical problem I will go to a licensed MD. I am against excessive use of drugs which is all to prevelant today - my father in law who has Alzheimers takes a handful each day - as prescribed - and sometimes the combinations don't work so well together. 

I maintain that in the future people will look back and wonder how we managed with the state of medical care in the year 2009. They will look at our period somewhat as we look at the medicine of years back.

Go where one wants - I am NOT going to a chiropractor for a heart or other organ problem. 

post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by organicgal007 View Post

I hope you know that Chiropractors ARE MEDICALLY TRAINED in the same exact classes as conventional "medical" doctors.
Chiropractors can diagnose the same problems as an MD.
It would be nice for you to know that chiros do more than just crack a back.
They are responsible for much more healing than just that.

IMO, they can do more than a general physician, because they know all the same things, but they can actually adjust you and know about chiro, which a general physician does not know. So the chiros are 1 up on your "pump 'em full of antibiotics" general physicians.


thanks organicgal :)

russ, your info was in conjunction with what we said. i think you might be misreading what it means. you're right, choose where you want to go. but the issue here is that you are using faulty and biased understanding and info to make that choice- which is fine for you, but then you are publicly making degrading comments about chiropractic doctors based on your misinterpretations. which is not fine on any level. again statistics are with the chiropractors for all general care, even things like blood pressure and asthma. those who are seen by chiropractors do better and feel better statistically then those seen only by other physicians. what you want to do and where you want to go is your choice, but making degrading comments based on your own bias about a profession that you obviously have little and an incomplete understanding about is not OK and is the issue at hand, not where you personally choose to go.
Edited by KayMMIV - 9/18/09 at 11:47am
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Chiropractor Info

Chiropractor Related Terms:
physical therapy, chiropractic adjustments, massage therapy, electrical muscle stimulation, cox manual lumbar traction, foot orthotics,chiropractor

Chiropractor Summary: Chiropractors diagnose and treat illnesses that affect the nerves, muscles, bones, and joints of the body. Although most contemporary chiropractors have introduced other therapies, spinal manipulation remains the essence of chiropractic. Chiropractors are effective for acute and chronic low back pain, neck pain, headaches (including migraines), frozen shoulder, tennis elbow and other sports injuries, and carpal tunnel syndrome, and may be helpful for otitis media (ear infection), digestive problems, menstrual and premenstrual pain, and asthma.

Chiropractor FAQs:

What is a chiropractor?
A Chiropractor practices a type of "therapy" in which abnormal function of the nervous system is considered the cause of disease. The method of treatment is delivered by a chiropractic doctor, or Chiropractor and usually involves manipulation or "adjustment" of the spinal column and other body structures. A Chiropractor corrects the cause of disease or lack of body harmony, they do not treat conditions.

What happens during a visit to a Chiropractor?
The first visit usually lasts about an hour. The Chiropractor takes a complete health history, including information on past injuries and illnesses; current conditions and medications; lifestyle; diet; sleep habits; exercise; mental stresses; and use of alcohol, drugs, or tobacco. During a physical exam, the Chiropractor also tests the extent of spinal mobility and may perform various diagnostic tests, such as blood pressure and x-rays, to rule out other conditions. Patients are typically asked to lie on a specially designed table, where the Chiropractor performs the spinal manipulations. The most common maneuver is manual manipulation, which involves movement of the selected joint, followed by a low-force thrust. The Chiropractor may use other treatments including massage and soft-tissue therapies. Some people experience minor aches, stiffness, and tiredness for a few days after the manipulation while their body adjusts to the new alignment.

Are there conditions that should not be treated by a Chiropractor?
Individuals with bone fractures or tumors, acute arthritis, bone or joint infections, or advanced osteoporosis should avoid therapy by a Chiropractor in areas affected by any of these conditions. Patients should also tell their chiropractor about any physical disabilities they have, or if they are experiencing symptoms of numbness, tingling, weakness, or other neurological problems. In extremely rare cases, manipulation of the neck has damaged blood vessels or caused strokes. The screening process, however, is designed to detect people at high risk.

What type of education or degrees does a Chiropractor need?
A minimum of eight years of study is generally required to obtain a Doctor of Chiropractic Degree (DC). The Chiropractor student is required to complete a four-year undergraduate degree and a four-year degree from an accredited Chiropractic College or University. In order to attain the Doctor of Chiropractic degree, the Chiropractor must complete a one-year clinical internship prior to graduation. After graduation, the Chiropractor must pass four demanding national board exams and state exams in the states in which they practice.
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The doctors at Comprehensive Health and Chiropractic Center have been successful in helping patients with the conditions categorized below. This is by no means a comprehensive list. If you have a condition not listed here, please give us a call Contact Us and ask if we can help. If we can, great! You will be on the road to better health! If we can't help with your condition we will gladly refer you to someone who can. Either way, you wind up the winner!

Chronic Disease

Bells Palsy
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Epstein Barr Virus
Multiple Sclerosis
Rheumatoid Arthritis
Trigeminal Neuralgia
Thyroid Problems
Adrenal Problems

Genito-Urinary & Reproductive

Pelvic Inflammatory Disease
Pre-menstrual Syndrome



Eyes-Ears-Nose & Throat

Hay Fever
Poor Eyesight
Ringing in Ears
Sinus Infection
Sore Throat



Musculo-Skeletal Neurological and Injuries/Pain/Inflammation

Trigeminal Neuralgia
Pinched Nerve
Neck pain/problems
Mid Back pain/problems
Rib Pain/problems
Low Back Pain/problems
Pelvic Pain/problems
Hip Pain/problems
Knee Pain/problems
Carpenter's Knee
Ankle Pain/problems
Feet Pain/problems
Shoulder Pain/problems
Elbow Pain/problems
Tennis Elbow
Wrist Pain/problems
Carpal Tunnel
Hand Pain/problems

Women's Health Challenges

Emotional Distress
Infertility (male & female)
Yeast Infections
Thyroid Problems
Adrenal Problems
Irregular period or cramps
Morning sickness
Hormonal Disorders


High Blood Pressure

Children's Health Challenges

Childhood Illnesses
Cold/Flu/Cough/Sore Throat
Learning Disorders
Ear Infections
Cerebral Palsy
And Many More!

Digestive Disorders

Celiac Disease
Crohn's Disease
Gas, Bloating, Upset Stomach...
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Weight Gain/Loss


Colds and flu

Worker's Compensation Injuries

Auto Accidents



And many more!

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Chiropractors: Conditions they Help Treat

Doctors of chiropractic will provide care that may have a direct influence on problems or conditions (subluxations, injuries, postural problems, headaches, neck pain, lower back pain, etc). Chiropractors also offer care that is supportive of other problems or treatments (collaborative care with other health care professionals) or care based on optimizing wellness and function based on objective findings, although pain may not be present as a symptom.

The bottom line is that chiropractic is not just for people with back pain or back or neck problems. People experiencing neuromusculoskeletal disorders can greatly benefit. In addition to treating arthritis, back and neck pain, sciatica and whiplash, doctors of chiropractic commonly treat the following conditions:


One of every five people suffers headache pain every day. There are many causes of headaches, including life-threatening conditions such as brain tumors, weakened blood vessels in the brain, infections and high blood pressure. Fortunately, in spite of how severe the pain may be, most headache types are not as serious. Examples are tension, migraine, TMJ, allergic, cluster and cervicogenic headaches.

Chiropractic has been shown to be highly effective in the diagnosis and treatment of tension and cervicogenic headaches, the two most common types on this list, as they both result from disturbances of the bones, joints, muscles, nerves and blood vessels that relate to the neck, scalp, head and face.

Doctors of chiropractic are expertly trained to have a clear understanding of the various causes and types of headache and provide comprehensive, no-drug, holistic approaches to their clinical management that may include adjustment of the bones and joints of the neck, muscle relaxation techniques, stress management advice and lifestyle and nutritional choices.

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

The Bureau of Labor Statistics has found that 25 lost workdays occur for every single case of carpal tunnel syndrome, a painful disorder of the hand, wrist and forearm that also commonly involves numbness and tingling as well as motor weakness.

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is most commonly the result of:

  • Overuse of the affected hand and wrist;
  • Repetitious occupational or recreational activities, particularly those that require repetition;
  • Awkward or sustained postures;
  • Unusual force or gripping;
  • Exposure to either vibration or temperature extremes; and
  • Pregnancy, thyroid disorders, obesity and heredity factors must also be considered in the diagnosis.

Often misdiagnosed, it is very important for people suffering the above symptoms to have a comprehensive assessment for a variety of conditions that can mimic carpal tunnel syndrome, particularly prior to undergoing surgical intervention.

Fortunately, the great majority of carpal tunnel syndrome patients obtain accurate diagnosis as well as significant relief through conservative, non-surgical management of this disorder provided by doctors of chiropractic. Treatment may include manual care to the affected joints of the wrist, physical rehabilitation, nutritional counseling, information on ergonomics and related advice regarding workstation modification and lifestyle considerations.


Among the most commonly checked-off symptoms on doctors' intake questionnaires is fatigue. Fatigue is so common in our American society that patients often express that their doctor seems to essentially ignore this concern. In addition to not obtaining adequate rest and sleep, physical fatigue can result from serious metabolic disturbances such as:

  • Thyroid disease;
  • Hypoglycemia (low-blood sugar);
  • Hormonal imbalances;
  • Anemia;
  • Leukemia; and
  • Other blood disorders requiring accurate diagnosis and careful clinical management.

If you suffer prolonged, otherwise unexplained fatigue, it is important to rule out the above potentially serious conditions. After these have been ruled out, it can be helpful to consider other possibilities such as structural imbalances in your body's framework that may be disrupting your neurological integrity and sapping you of energy. This can often be improved by carefully-planned chiropractic care.

It is imperative to include appropriate food choices and nutritional supplementation as needed to prevent fatigue and provide you with optimal energy. It is also important to consider psychological sources of fatigue. Job satisfaction, relationship issues, unresolved emotional conflicts, worry, fear, anger, jealousy, resentment and bitterness all have a way of eating away at our self-esteem and zest for living.

Chronic fatigue can also result from people trying to live three days at a time. Don't make the mistake of trying to re-live the mistakes and regrets of yesterday, all the challenges you may be facing today and the worries and apprehensions of what might happen tomorrow. Learn to live joyfully, gratefully, and passionately in the present moment. We don't have tomorrow!

Sleep Disorders

In today's fast-paced, competitive society, many Americans are working or playing longer hours and therefore sleeping less. In fact, sleep deprivation, with its many negative consequences for optimal health, has become almost epidemic. The need for adequate sleep cannot be overstated, as it is during this time that the body repairs and heals itself.

Quality sleep is probably more important than quantity because during the deepest portion of the sleep cycle, the body's tissues and nervous system are replenished and restored at the cellular level. Insomnia is often a challenging health concern as many physical and emotional factors can play a role.

A doctor of chiropractic can often be of great assistance in helping you to overcome insomnia through spinal adjustment to restore balance within your nervous system. In addition, he or she may provide you with advice regarding:

  • Your choice of bed, mattress and pillow;
  • Avoidance of, or reduction of caffeine products;
  • Supplementation with magnesium, calcium and vitamins C and D; and
  • Use of safe herbal remedies such as valerian root.

In resistant cases, instead of resorting to the use of sleeping pills, your chiropractor may provide you with advice regarding the appropriate use of melatonin, a naturally occurring hormone available without prescription which has been shown to be of great value in overcoming many cases of insomnia. In addition, he or she may assist you in understanding how emotional stress and unresolved conflicts can negatively affect both the quality and quantity of your sleep and provide guidance as to how to resolve such issues.

Mood Swings

Mood swings can have a physical origin from such conditions as hypoglycemia, thyroid disease or other hormonal imbalances such as pre-menstrual syndrome. In addition, alcohol abuse and certain prescription and illicit drugs can play havoc on your emotional state. More commonly, however, mood swings are the product of self-defeating attitudes and distorted belief system.

If your highs and lows have caused your relationships to suffer as a consequence, the next time you get a case of the uglies, it may be helpful to consider some practical advice that you might receive from a doctor of chiropractic.

The first and most important strategy is to carefully guard your thoughts. Your thoughts can have an immediate and direct effect on your emotional state. You can choose your thoughts and the effect they will have on your emotions and moods. The thoughts you choose to dwell upon will determine whether you are happy and charming to be with or miserable and disgusting to those around you.

Unfortunately, the impact of your negative moods most often affects those whom you care about the most, resulting in recurring cycles of self-condemnation, remorse and threatened or broken relationships. Here are some strategies to deal with mood swings:

  • Let go of thoughts of anger, including so-called "justified" anger;
  • Think only what you have, instead of what you lack;
  • Express gratitude for all the blessings in your life;
  • Apply generous amounts of forgiveness for all perceived wrongs and hurts; and
  • When you are unhappy, perform a simple loving act, if you are still unhappy, perform a more meaningful loving act. Sustained loving acts will yield the gift of ever-expanding happiness.


Other conditions or problems doctors of chiropractic may treat include:

  • Pediatric Conditions: Research and clinical experience support chiropractic care for common pediatric conditions such as colic, bed wetting, birth trauma, and common childhood injuries.
  • Postural Problems: Chiropractic care can assist in correcting postural faults, including scoliosis.
  • Injuries and Pain: Chiropractic care can help restore normal function after injuries, and help decrease pain when it results from abnormal function and compensation.
  • Geriatric Problems: Chiropractic can be very effective with gentle and careful care for common sources of pain and dysfunction in older adults.

More recent research has also demonstrated that chiropractic is effective in treating other conditions such as asthma, digestive disorders, menstrual problems, and other health impairments resulting from the subluxation complex.

Source: Joseph Sweere, DC, faculty clinician, Northwestern Health Sciences University.

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Hi KayMMIV - you go to your chiropractor for what you want and I will use them only for a back that is out of place and we will both be happy.

For others out there I suggest you consider the type, intensity, scope and amount of training each type of doctor is required to have to practice their profession and then decide.

Many professional groups and their members tend to push the envelope on what they can really accomplish and are qualified to do. An article written by the adherent to one school of thought can be totally factual and totally misleading. This is true not just in medicine but in many fields. 
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