So it looks like we are going to be experiencing some record global temperatures shortly. A new solar cycle is poised to start up and the ENSO seems to be heating up. Your thoughts and maybe someone can explain the <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/18/national-solar-observatory-nasa-say-no-maunder-minimum-sorry-deniers-solar-cycle-24-poised-to-rev-up/">new</a> method of predicting solar cycles?
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I asked a question on the subject here. NASA provides some explanation on the solar cycle prediction method here.
It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the year goes. It does seem possible that it will break the previous temperature record if a strong El Nino and solar cycle 24 get going. It's off to a little bit of a slow start at 6th-warmest so far, but it's a distinct possibility.
Personally I root for a record-breaking year because it takes away several denier talking points (no years hotter than 1998, global warming has stopped, etc.), and it will motivate us to take more action in reducing our emissions.
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I think we know what the deniers will do. It's what makes them deniers! :-)
From what I read it looks like next year will have a good shot at being the hottest on record since there is a lag with the ENSO affecting temps.
Thanks for the NASA link. It'll be interesting if they figure out how the jet stream produces sun spots and why this particular stream was slowed.
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Does anyone know the difference between a dynamic model and a statistical model?
Dynamic models seem to be predicting more El Nino like conditions, while statistical models seem more neutral, even La Nina like.
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/figure5.gif
These links explain it pretty well:
http://iri.columbia.edu/climate/ENSO/background/prediction.html
http://iri.columbia.edu/climate/ENSO/currentinfo/SST_table.html
The statistical models currently predict between ENSO neutral and milder el Nino conditions than the average dynamical model.
Let's assume the model has all the correct measurements verified by scientific study which confirmed measurements of, for example, 36-24-36 so the model is assumed to be perfect by the best scientific standards. However, once employed the model turns out to be totally unrepresentative of the qualities appreciated.
Now then, a dynamic model may not have the exact measurements the statistical model predicted as prerequisite and reliability may be in question . However, the dynamic model provides a much enhanced method of availability for first hand study.
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•Positive SST departures continue to increase across much of the equatorial Pacific Ocean.
•Current observations and dynamical model forecasts indicate conditions are favorable for a transition from ENSO-neutral conditions to El Niño conditions during June-August 2009.
I think there's a pretty solid chance we'll set a new global temperature record, if the ENSO models are correct.
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Aside from the obvious implications that setting a new temperature record means the warming is continuing, it sets things up so that in 2019, if there is another brief downturn in global mean temperature, we have to hear the stupid skeptics shriek how the warming stopped in 2009.
But then I'm always willing to recognize the silver lining in the clouds is actually the sun shining off of more clouds.
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NOAA scientists today announced the arrival of El Niño, a climate phenomenon with a significant influence on global weather, ocean conditions and marine fisheries. El Niño, the periodic warming of central and eastern tropical Pacific waters, occurs on average every two to five years and typically lasts about 12 months.
NOAA expects this El Niño to continue developing during the next several months, with further strengthening possible. The event is expected to last through winter 2009-10.
So there you go - almost exactly halfway into 2009 and we've entered an El Nino cycle. The first 5 months were the 6th-hottest on record (data for June isn't available yet) despite a combination of a moderate La Nina and ENSO-neutral conditions.
It will be interesting to watch the global temperature over the rest of the year.

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Plus it will get deniers to shut up about the 'global cooling' myth, at least in the short-term.
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I totally agree. However, since they're not right, I'm rooting for 2009 to break the global temperature record just to light a fire under everyone's butt (pun intended). It's the sort of thing that ignites public opinion, which in turn gets policymakers taking the issue more seriously.
Plus it will get deniers to shut up about the 'global cooling' myth, at least in the short-term.
Sad but true. Milton Friedman uses the same logic in economics.
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