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Hansen's 1988 global warming predictions were wrong

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Been hearing this myth a lot lately.  Not really sure why - I think some blogger recently brought it up for some reason.  The most recent round of this myth seems to have been triggered from an entry on - I kid you not - blogger.com.  Here's the graph which is supposed to show that James Hansen's 1988 predictions were grossly inaccurate:

 

 

Damning evidence!

 

But shockingly, there's a significant flaw with this blogger.com analysis and graph.  The GISS data plotted is land-ocean data.  This is a combination of surface air temperature measurements over land from meteorological stations, and ocean temperature measurements from satellites.

 

Hansen's projection was based on global mean surface air temperature anomaly (as you can see in the original 1988 paper) - in other words the average temperature of the air at the Earth's surface.  But oceans are colder than the air above them.  We can't just use the meteorological station data though, because air over land is warmer than air over oceans.  So an accurate analysis would compare something in between land-ocean and met station data.

 

Gavin Schmidt, climate modeler at NASA GISS and RealClimate blogger has analyzed the projections by comparing them to both datasets:

 

 

As is clear from this analysis, Hansen's Scenarios B and C have been very close to the two datasets.  And as Schmidt illustrates, the radiative forcing has also been very close to Scenario B.

 

 

 

So really there's not much to this myth.  Even if the blogger graph were correct, it would just show that Hansen's warming prediction was a bit off.  But the reality is that the graph plots a dataset which does not correspond to Hansen's predictions.  Not surprisingly, the deniers don't accept this reality.

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if you take scenario B until say 2006 then start using scenario A its about right. luckily due to the collapse of free market capitalism we look like reverting to B for a few years. i'm with Lovelock (and Ridley Scott - Blade Runner) on this one; we are stupid and we will die.

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if you take scenario B until say 2006 then start using scenario A its about right. luckily due to the collapse of free market capitalism we look like reverting to B for a few years. i'm with Lovelock (and Ridley Scott - Blade Runner) on this one; we are stupid and we will die.

 

Well, both of those statements are true regardless of whether mankind is affecting climate.  :-)

 

The issue is whether we are clever enough to figure out just how stupid we are, and do something intelligent so we don't die as soon. 

 

post #4 of 6

quite so gcnp. sorry if i',m being a bit negative, my lovely cat got run over by a woman in a chelsea tractor last week. i'm wishing massive cull on stupid humanity a la lovelock's latest 'final warning' book right now.

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quite so gcnp. sorry if i',m being a bit negative, my lovely cat got run over by a woman in a chelsea tractor last week. i'm wishing massive cull on stupid humanity a la lovelock's latest 'final warning' book right now.

 

Cats are the only animal known to have domesticated themselves.  They saw a nice warm tent, skin by the fire, and moved right in.  All they had to do from then on was sit around and purr, soak up the love, and catch a few rodents now and then. 

 

Who says they are dumb? 

 

All cats go to heaven. 

 

post #6 of 6

cheers gcnp.

 

i think it was more likely a nice warm cow barn next to the grain store overrun with tasty mice.

oh, hang on, this neolithic person was buried with their cat 10 000 years ago. so they were pets or valuable in some way even then.

 

i now find i am overrun by rabbits. i will have to get some serious barriers up if i want to carry on veg. gardening. just last month my neighbor said they where why he gave up, and i didnt understand him. 'what rabbits?'. oh. and pidgeons. its like a scene from hitchcock in the mornings here now.

 

oh, by the way, a 'chelsea tractor' is a 4x4 that has never seen mud (chelsea is a posh area of london).

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