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post #91 of 111

Fabulous! I am so pleased to see such a post. So many people just don't get it, and are still being sucked in by all the marketing hype. What you've done takes a LOT of work. Kudos to you. Believe I know more than you realize - or that I want to get into here.

 

I wish you would spend more time researching the excessive abuse of certifications by businesses - all the games that are being played. I get so frustrated with companies making fraudulent claims. Many are real pros and they know exactly how to tap dance around these issues. Others are just plain ignorant or could care less. What consumers don't understand is that it is so easy to simply slap a certification on a product label or web page, and it simply is not true at all! In the meantime, companies use certs to gain credibility, bolster sales and profits. IF EVER challenged (very rare if ever outside of food products), they may pull it. They may get a warning letter or slap on the wrist. What a joke. You can trust so little these days. There is a serious lack of any real enforcement and hash penalties for such abuse - particularly in the US. The liars and crooks are having a field day. It's no wonder this country is where it is.

 

But I never give up hope. Because of people like you, and others like Stacy Malkan, people are learning more all the time. Thank God for the Internet and Information Age. Even though the Internet has allowed for deception to become even easier, in time knowledge will prevail and those bad seeds will eventually be exposed.

 

No, I definitely don't agree with all your choices - but who cares. So be it. There is a mega-ton to research here. I feel as if you are being too lenient. I'd would pull quite a few more out of your lists of "Not Fakies." Surely we have just studied different or contradictory information and data. Contradiction is so common. I truly believe that the deceivers lie SO much that they can't even keep track of them all anymore. Also, I am very skeptical of "organic" - period. I could go on and on about this issue, but not tonight. Personally, I think it is nearly all hype once you get outside of food products. I read an excellent paper recently that distilled "organic" to being essentially nothing more than an elaborate marketing scheme - demonstrating that actual proof is virtually impossible to determine. It was good - very well thought out and argued.

 

I wish you would have taken a look at NaturOli. I was disappointed not to see them mentioned. I'm a major fan. NaturOli is an awesome, result-oriented skin care products formulator - and their integrity and service level is literally off the chart. Their customer service staff is the most knowledgeable and best trained I've ever experienced.

 

Get this: What company refers to their products as some being 99% natural and others 100% natural??? Huh? NaturOli does. That's a first! They have expanded into other areas (handmade soap bars, soap nuts / saponin natural detergents, household cleaners and more - very innovative, yet take a minimalistic approach by not overly line extending - I'm referring to selling 10 variations of the same darn thing). They are a small company compared to an Aubrey, but are growing at an incredible rate. They continue to win award after award. Please don't axe them for use of phenoxyethanol in a few products. I have knowledge that they are changing to lauric arginate due to its equivalent effectiveness and better safety rating. They never stop improving. What is actually most special about them is this: NaturOli and honesty are like hand-in-glove. To know and understand them is to love them. I bet you'll agree.

 

Again, great job - keep it up!

post #92 of 111
thanks for all the added companies that some of you have faith (or doubt) about.

though my list is extensive, it is impossible for me to know every single company out there on the market and sorry i have disappointed some of you by not adding them to one list or another. but again...if we stop and think about all the 100 of thousands of  companies out there, that list would be impossible for 1 person to create.
i listed the ones that i have been most commonly asked about from customers and also the ones i see advertised in popular "natural/organic" magazines, and on the shelves of health food stores.

the list could grow, but at this time i am not rating any more companies. i have enrolled back in school and have a toddler and a business to run. so as you can imagine, my list days are over for a short while.

i only ask, that anyone who wants to "add" good companies, please PLEASE be honest about it. no greenwashing allowed. if i find a reply w/ a company that is not on the up and up, i will call you out on it.
post #93 of 111
okay so what do you say a genuine green laundry detergent would be?
post #94 of 111

Hi Organicalgal007, Thank you for your informative and educative blogs.  I support products that are organic and is currently using Eminence after having a bout of severe allergic reactions to some rather well known cosmetic brands that contain synthetic chemicals including preservatives and fragrance.  I found that I do not have much of a reaction to the Eminence products but have found that I have an allergic reaction to the stonecrop gel range in a skin patch test. 

 

I also came across a website  that mentioned about Eminence being the fake of the original version of ilisc.com (the original Co. from Hungary) and Eminence is known as ilike.com in the USA.  Just wonder if you know anything about this.

 

Also do you have any information about Kimberley Sayers organic from London?  I would like to know if anyone has used the product and how they felt about the Co. claim to be organic 

post #95 of 111

I've recently checked out a site by 100% Pure (www.100percentpure.com) and loved it! Could any of the posters here, including the crazy expert, organicgal007, give some opinions on their products and authenticity?

 

 

Thank you for such a wonderful list!

post #96 of 111

Wow! What a blessing your site is to me. I recently started a website healthygreenchic.com and if you visit you'll see that one area I was having trouble making recommendations for has been skincare/cosmetics. I truly want to support only the safest (yet still hopefully cost-effective) company for my readers. You have truly helped narrow down my search. I had been eyeing Miessence but the pricing is putting me off. My site is for everyone not just the well to do. If anyone has found an affordable best...let me know (either on my site or at healthygreenchic@aol.com. I will be sure to check out the rest on the list particularly Nourish as it is also food grade.

Shame on those fake companies!!

Thank-you for all the work you have put into creating this list. I may mention this site on my website as I would feel guilty if I didn't share it.

Tracy

post #97 of 111

I find it interesting that you don’t want any negative posts/replies to your list. However, you have no issues naming these companies as 'fakers'. I do believe you have done research in the sense that you picked up some product, read the labels and listed them here for everybody to see. Did you actually look into some of the ingredients that you have listed as being bad and actually find out what the purpose of these ingredients are? I picked one out that you have mentioned repeatedly in your faker list 'Retinyl Palmitate'. Did you know that this ingredient is a combination of retinol (pure Vitamin A) and palmitic acid and that there is research showing it as being an effective antioxidant? There was a press release in 2010 stating that it is linked to skin cancer. Then later the FDA said it was a scare tactic and there is NO conclusive evidence to support this release nor was it supported by any sort of published research. What they did find is that retinyl palmitate is one of the primary antioxidants found naturally in skin (Source: Toxicology and Industrial Health, May 2006, pages 181-191). FUNNY you said it isn’t Natural? Please do yourself a favour and research all your ingredients before you start bad mouthing any of these companies.

post #98 of 111

Burt's Bees--murky, yes.  Owned by Clorox.  Greenwashing, although I do like some of their products.

 

A very safe cosmetic company is Rose Marie Swift's RMS line.  I've found, also, that coconut oil, baking soda, and cornstarch make a great deodorant. 

 

DIY has been the way to go for me, and it really takes less energy than trying to find the greenest product in our area, which has a very small selection.  I cleanse with coconut oil.  I use aloe vera and coconut oil as moisturizer bases, and make my own Vitamin C serum, B serum, etc. 

 

IMO, some of these companies on the "fakers" lists started out with good intentions and were overcome by the greed of the investors.  And--this is not a negative statement, just my own personal preference--I stay away from the multi-level products because some--not all, but SOME--of the salespeople tend to be pushy, even though the product is oftentimes very high quality.  I don't like hard sell in any form.

 

It always helps to renew the dialogue about this topic, however. 
 

post #99 of 111

I happened to be well versed in the world of Arbonne!! They are an honest company that makes safe products!! Their products have no animal products, animal byproducts, parabens, formaldehyde preservatives, PABA, or petroleum-based ingredients (ie. Benzene, mineral oil, petrolatum, Phthalates, or Toluene). They also make nutrional products formulated without artificial colors/sweetners/flavors, animal products, animal byproducts, cholesterol, and trans fats. I really wanted to like the information I found in this forum, but it looks like propaganda to me!! I think some of those involved in this conversation need to do some checking for themselves!! Obviously, you can't believe everything you read!!!  

post #100 of 111
Hello,

Do you know anything about The Honest Company products? Would you add them to your "not fake" list?
post #101 of 111

Arbonne DOES use some petroleum-based ingredients (carbomer is one; on their own website they state they don't use: "**The following** petroleum-based ingredients...") I met a consultant last year who also claimed they used NO petroleum-based ingredients - maybe they are no longer using carbomer, but there's no way of knowing!


I also believe TRANSPARENCY is a MAJOR factor in determining the authenticity of "pure and natural" ingredient claims. I can't understand why Arbonne refuses to post their COMPLETE ingredient lists alongside the individual products for sale, for consumers to view online. The last time I checked, the only way to see the COMPLETE list was by asking a consultant, who has access to that information. WHY HIDE IT???

post #102 of 111

Wow thats quite the list! Thanks, very detailed

post #103 of 111

What do you think of Nikken?
 

post #104 of 111

When will you post an update?  Some of these companies are no longer producing and others have changed their product lines to the point that they may fall into to the Murky category.

post #105 of 111
Thread Starter 

Sorry to all of you who I did not reply to in the past. I have not visited this post since 2009. I had gone back to school and then started my own business, while raising a wonderful, beautiful girl. I felt that I gave you all enough info to go out and be your own Green Activist. I am so thankful to all the comments that were posted in the several years since this list was first created. Thank you Thank you.

 

In reply to Thetruth's comment above: Hello. Thank you for giving me the chance to expand on my "negative posts/replies". In past forums, people would get very irrational and nasty. I refrain from that and request that others do the same. I would see a lot of comments bashing each other verbally and it just was not necessary. I don't like it when threads get full of "hate speech", as many I had seen in the past did. Words are so easy to toss on screen when not face to face.

I did do extensive research and did actually research each and every ingredient I listed. At the time I wrote this list, appox 2006/2007 it was widely suggested by all the research I had looked in to that Retinyl Palmitate was of concern. Retinyl Palmitate is not from Retinol, but actually turns in to Retinol after it has been absorbed by the skin. Thank you for adding new findings about the 2010 report, that was released years after I had created this list. That is what positive forums help do.

 

As you can see this was originally posted in early 2008, before the 2010 report you are kindly offering as new research. I personally have not been back to this site in a couple of years to keep track of comments left. My apologies. My life has taken me in different directions since first posting this. I would like to add some new findings that came out in 2011, if I may:

 

"The most recent government scientific study, made public last January by the National Toxicology Program, an interagency group housed within the National Institutes of Health, has demonstrated that retinyl palmitate speeds photo-carcinogenic effects on test animals. The study, entitled Photococarcinogenesis Study Of Retinoic Acid And Retinyl Palmitate and conducted at a federal research center co-hosted by the FDA and NTP, found that mice treated with small doses of retinyl palmitate and ultraviolet light developed skin tumors faster than untreated, light-exposed mice or those treated only with a control cream. There were more numerous tumors on every animal treated with retinyl palmitate."
http://www.ewg.org/report/what-scientists-say-about-vitamin-sunscreen


I also found this and would like to share it: http://www.ewg.org/FDA_Should_Wind_Up_Study_Of_Vitamin_A_In_Sunscreens


Again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to expand on my previous research. I'm going to keep RP on my list of things to stay away from.

 

 

This is in reply to kjimhof

I am sorry you think this list is propaganda, I can surely affirm that my part of it is not. I have no control over who adds their bits of info or thoughts to it. And when I had the time I did try to keep the conversation going with supported facts. My creating the list was for nothing other than information for my own clients, one of them suggested I share the list online and I did. I did not get paid for creating the list, nor do I work for any of the companies on  the list, other than I retailed products from One Group to my customers because I found they were the best company on my Good list

.

This is why Arbonne was on my list back when it was first created - Synthetic and toxic ingredients used:  Cocamidopropyl Betaine Coconut , PEG-80, Peg-120, Retinyl Palmitate, Triethanolamine, Phenoxyethanol , Hexylene Glycol , etc.

I hope you can understand it is not my intention to hurt any reps of companies list on the bad lists. It is reps who can help change the company for the better.

I found this from 2011 and hope it will help shed some light: http://www.greenwala.com/channels/eco-beauty/blog/15895-Arbonne-Not-Safe-Not-Pure-Not-Beneficial

Because they do not list their ingredients on their website it is hard to investigate them. Last time I had to go direct via emails with the company headquarters to get labels to do my research, I will have to do this again for my updated list and this will take time. If you would like to post the exact ingredient list from 3 products, maybe a body lotion, face cream and or face cleanser, it will save me time and I can quickly give you a new updated answer on where I feel they land on my list. smile.gif

 

I am revisiting my list this month and adding updates to companies already listed. I will not be adding any new companies, as I do not have time to do so. Back when the list was created Arbonne was using many ingredients that were not safe. Fact.

 

I was not judging any company on nutritional products, only skin care/cosmetics.

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Originally Posted by Thetruth View Post

I find it interesting that you don’t want any negative posts/replies to your list. However, you have no issues naming these companies as 'fakers'. I do believe you have done research in the sense that you picked up some product, read the labels and listed them here for everybody to see. Did you actually look into some of the ingredients that you have listed as being bad and actually find out what the purpose of these ingredients are? I picked one out that you have mentioned repeatedly in your faker list 'Retinyl Palmitate'. Did you know that this ingredient is a combination of retinol (pure Vitamin A) and palmitic acid and that there is research showing it as being an effective antioxidant? There was a press release in 2010 stating that it is linked to skin cancer. Then later the FDA said it was a scare tactic and there is NO conclusive evidence to support this release nor was it supported by any sort of published research. What they did find is that retinyl palmitate is one of the primary antioxidants found naturally in skin (Source: Toxicology and Industrial Health, May 2006, pages 181-191). FUNNY you said it isn’t Natural? Please do yourself a favour and research all your ingredients before you start bad mouthing any of these companies.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjimhoff View Post

I happened to be well versed in the world of Arbonne!! They are an honest company that makes safe products!! Their products have no animal products, animal byproducts, parabens, formaldehyde preservatives, PABA, or petroleum-based ingredients (ie. Benzene, mineral oil, petrolatum, Phthalates, or Toluene). They also make nutrional products formulated without artificial colors/sweetners/flavors, animal products, animal byproducts, cholesterol, and trans fats. I really wanted to like the information I found in this forum, but it looks like propaganda to me!! I think some of those involved in this conversation need to do some checking for themselves!! Obviously, you can't believe everything you read!!!


Edited by organicgal007 - 10/27/12 at 6:07am
post #106 of 111
Thread Starter 

For some reason, my comments keep showing then disappearing... My apologies if anything is done twice.

I will be updating the list this month.

 

Sorry to all of you who I did not reply to in the past. I have not visited this post since 2009. I had gone back to school and then started my own business, while raising a wonderful, beautiful girl. I felt that I gave you all enough info to go out and be your own Green Activist. I am so thankful to all the comments that were posted in the several years since this list was first created. Thank you Thank you.

 

In reply to Thetruth's comment above: Hello. Thank you for giving me the chance to expand on my "negative posts/replies". In past forums, people would get very irrational and nasty. I refrain from that and request that others do the same. I would see a lot of comments bashing each other verbally and it just was not necessary. I don't like it when threads get full of "hate speech", as many I had seen in the past did. Words are so easy to toss on screen when not face to face.

I did do extensive research and did actually research each and every ingredient I listed. At the time I wrote this list, appox 2006/2007 it was widely suggested by all the research I had looked in to that Retinyl Palmitate was of concern. Retinyl Palmitate is not from Retinol, but actually turns in to Retinol after it has been absorbed by the skin. Thank you for adding new findings about the 2010 report, that was released years after I had created this list. That is what positive forums help do.

 

As you can see this was originally posted in early 2008, before the 2010 report you are kindly offering as new research. I personally have not been back to this site in a couple of years to keep track of comments left. My apologies. My life has taken me in different directions since first posting this. I would like to add some new findings that came out in 2011, if I may:

 

"The most recent government scientific study, made public last January by the National Toxicology Program, an interagency group housed within the National Institutes of Health, has demonstrated that retinyl palmitate speeds photo-carcinogenic effects on test animals. The study, entitled Photococarcinogenesis Study Of Retinoic Acid And Retinyl Palmitate and conducted at a federal research center co-hosted by the FDA and NTP, found that mice treated with small doses of retinyl palmitate and ultraviolet light developed skin tumors faster than untreated, light-exposed mice or those treated only with a control cream. There were more numerous tumors on every animal treated with retinyl palmitate."
http://www.ewg.org/report/what-scientists-say-about-vitamin-sunscreen


I also found this and would like to share it: http://www.ewg.org/FDA_Should_Wind_Up_Study_Of_Vitamin_A_In_Sunscreens


Again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to expand on my previous research. I'm going to keep RP on my list of things to stay away from.

 

 

This is in reply to kjimhof

I am sorry you think this list is propaganda, I can surely affirm that my part of it is not. I have no control over who adds their bits of info or thoughts to it. And when I had the time I did try to keep the conversation going with supported facts. My creating the list was for nothing other than information for my own clients, one of them suggested I share the list online and I did. I did not get paid for creating the list, nor do I work for any of the companies on  the list, other than I retailed products from One Group to my customers because I found they were the best company on my Good list

.

This is why Arbonne was on my list back when it was first created - Synthetic and toxic ingredients used:  Cocamidopropyl Betaine Coconut , PEG-80, Peg-120, Retinyl Palmitate, Triethanolamine, Phenoxyethanol , Hexylene Glycol , etc.

I hope you can understand it is not my intention to hurt any reps of companies list on the bad lists. It is reps who can help change the company for the better.

I found this from 2011 and hope it will help shed some light: http://www.greenwala.com/channels/eco-beauty/blog/15895-Arbonne-Not-Safe-Not-Pure-Not-Beneficial

Because they do not list their ingredients on their website it is hard to investigate them. Last time I had to go direct via emails with the company headquarters to get labels to do my research, I will have to do this again for my updated list and this will take time. If you would like to post the exact ingredient list from 3 products, maybe a body lotion, face cream and or face cleanser, it will save me time and I can quickly give you a new updated answer on where I feel they land on my list. smile.gif

 

I am revisiting my list this month and adding updates to companies already listed. I will not be adding any new companies, as I do not have time to do so. Back when the list was created Arbonne was using many ingredients that were not safe. Fact.

 

I was not judging any company on nutritional products, only skin care/cosmetics.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thetruth View Post

I find it interesting that you don’t want any negative posts/replies to your list. However, you have no issues naming these companies as 'fakers'. I do believe you have done research in the sense that you picked up some product, read the labels and listed them here for everybody to see. Did you actually look into some of the ingredients that you have listed as being bad and actually find out what the purpose of these ingredients are? I picked one out that you have mentioned repeatedly in your faker list 'Retinyl Palmitate'. Did you know that this ingredient is a combination of retinol (pure Vitamin A) and palmitic acid and that there is research showing it as being an effective antioxidant? There was a press release in 2010 stating that it is linked to skin cancer. Then later the FDA said it was a scare tactic and there is NO conclusive evidence to support this release nor was it supported by any sort of published research. What they did find is that retinyl palmitate is one of the primary antioxidants found naturally in skin (Source: Toxicology and Industrial Health, May 2006, pages 181-191). FUNNY you said it isn’t Natural? Please do yourself a favour and research all your ingredients before you start bad mouthing any of these companies.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjimhoff View Post

I happened to be well versed in the world of Arbonne!! They are an honest company that makes safe products!! Their products have no animal products, animal byproducts, parabens, formaldehyde preservatives, PABA, or petroleum-based ingredients (ie. Benzene, mineral oil, petrolatum, Phthalates, or Toluene). They also make nutrional products formulated without artificial colors/sweetners/flavors, animal products, animal byproducts, cholesterol, and trans fats. I really wanted to like the information I found in this forum, but it looks like propaganda to me!! I think some of those involved in this conversation need to do some checking for themselves!! Obviously, you can't believe everything you read!!!


Edited by organicgal007 - 10/27/12 at 6:06am
post #107 of 111
@organical007
You have created a great list out there! I am just wondering how you managed to do so much reading! Just kidding.
Honestly, you've done phenomenal work! What do you think about seaweed?smile.gif
post #108 of 111

Amen sister!  Thanks for your awesome dedication to this cause.  What a great resource for people interested in learning about this very important, and not often discussed, topic.  Most people are so concerned with food that they overlook the toxicity in their body care.  I am sure I would make your list if you had time to research!  ALL of my ingredients are disclosed on my website.  www.herbaloasisbodycare.com

 

I wish you well in your new endeavors.  I would also be interested in corresponding with you by email, should you have the interest.  It's hard to find people on the same page and with this level of understanding of the industry.  My email is on my website.

 

Good luck to you!

 

Deanna

post #109 of 111

Hi just wondering if there is any more info or details about Eminence currently and whether or not they are truly pure and organic or not?

 

I recently moved to the UK from Canada and decided to try a local company called: http://www.purenuffstuff.co.uk/  I am very happy with them after being an Eminence user for over 10 years. I just wanted a change and kept reading different things about Eminence being a scam. Really hope you can shed some light, cheers.

post #110 of 111

Hi! Found this thread due to my passionate interest in this topic. I've been a hairstylist for 20 years and 5 years ago became aware of the toxins in all the professional products. When I couldn't find one free of the contaminated ingredients I started on my path to creating one. I just checked the purenuffstuff line and wanted to comment on the ingredients list. For one, decyl glucoside is very alkaline for the hair and I've read that sugar beets in the US are likely GMO. Two, ingredients listed do not show any form of preservative which in a water base product is not safe and not likely. It's refreshing to find places where people care about the fact that there is no regulation and are seeking out education/information! Best!

post #111 of 111

Thank you so much for putting so much time and effort into researching these and making these lists for those of us who want to get away from all the chemicals in our lives. I was using Melaleuca products for a long time, but stopped when finding out they are not all natural, nor all safe, as they claim. I have been using Burt's Bees lip balm in the tin for many years now, and won't use anything else. I certainly hope they will continue to produce it for many years to come. I have recently been thinking of trying the Dr. Bronners products, and now that I see they are on the good list, I will definitely go for it.

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