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Help Electric Vehicles - Call your Senators today!!!

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Now is your chance to help improve Electric Vehicles!  Voting will start today and we need to urge our Senators not to ignore this important part!

 

Advanced vehicle grants ($2 billion Senate)

Advanced battery system manufacturers would benefit from the Senate's bill, which provides loan guarantees for technology that advocates of the provision say will help the U.S. consume less oil.

Greg Jenner, a Partner at Stoel Rives said that the bill may not pass the Senate.

"As to the current state of the bill, action on the Senate floor so far indicates that there might not be enough votes in the Senate to pass the bill. As a result, negotiations are likely occurring behind the scenes to determine how the bill can be modified to gain the necessary votes. Meanwhile, angry voters are calling their representatives to complain, which will increase the political pressure for significant changes. While everyone acknowledges that a bill will pass in some form, it is not likely to be the version we see now," he said.

Stay tuned to RenewableEnergyWorld.com for more updates on the stimulus plan.

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Don't forget to mention the bill that expands the electric vehicle tax credit to include other manufacturers like ZAP!

 

Here is that article again:

 

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0471367.htm

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Thanks for sharing this, srj!  Let's hope we get lots of support rallied across the country.

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Why can't electric vehicles be cost competetive when we are being told how much more economical they are. There appears to be a disjoint between the story being told and this urgent request for funding. Why do the people asking for funding not pony up the money as an investment.

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"Why do the people asking for funding not pony up the money as an investment."

 

Because they don't have it. Capital calls are left unanswered and banks aren't lending (and if they do, they definitely don't lend to new high-risk ventures). VC is simply not enough to break the auto industry's barrier to entry.

 

And, to add insult to injury, Washington bailed out Detroit one more time. I swear to God (that I don't believe in), I'm turning more and more Libertarian each day ...


Edited by petera650 - Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:01:15 GMT
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Should invest the money for LEV /EV/NEV  manufacturers or for R&D in electric drivetrain system , such as motor and electric controller technololgies to improve energy efficiency ??

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Motors and controllers are very good already. Battery technology is the challenge. Chevron/Texaco bought the NiMH pattents and killed the Toyota RAV4 EV. Li-ion batteries don't have enough energy density to make EVs feasible. Li-air batteries are more promising but they're still in the lab. Supercapacitors may work but we really don't know much about them right now. It all depends on who comes up with a breakthrough and who ultimately owns the IP.

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Originally Posted by donfletcher View Post

 

Why can't electric vehicles be cost competetive when we are being told how much more economical they are.

 

The reason why EV cannot be not only cost competitive, but also not perfomance competitive, is simply because of its much lower energy density of batteries (or anything that holds electricity) than fossil fuel, which is, I think 1/80. When this barrier is cleared, it is the time for EV.

 

Also, I wonder if EV is more economical than IC vehicles for now.

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I've been waiting a long time for viable long range EV's and it appears I'll be waiting longer still. The Phoenix and one or two others promise 100+ miles between charges and yet they haven't made it to market. It appears the Phoenix SUV and SUT will be in $50,000 range and that is steep, so I will have to wait for another company that can possibly market a EV for close to half that amount.  I don't think the ZAP 3 wheel car will be feasible for freeway driving and they seem most suited for short range and neighborhood driving.

 

Thought of a diesel car, VW Passat TDI but wife didn't go for it. Driving a Honda Civic EX currently which is great on gas and it should last many years. Maybe in another 5 years there will be a few fully electric vehicles on the market with the 100 plus mile range and quick recharging. 

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Financing an EV is very confusing to me!  I just got in on time and had borrowed as a personal loan when buying my City-el (rather than an auto loan).  Doing that now is nearly impossible.

 

I recently found a German importer who is looking into importing City-els directly from the factory; so yesterday I asked the S & L about borrowing for a new one.  No, those EVs are not under a certain value in their books, so I can not get an auto loan on its value.  I suppose Xebra is DMV listed; but City-el is not. 

 

Interesting that new ideas are bringing many changes for vehicles!   

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