Global warming also causes extreme cold

Well there are a few specific instances where it could be true, like if the thermohaline circulation gets shut down it will cause Europe to get a whole lot colder.  But other than that, I think it's pretty much just something people say in response to the 'record cold' comments because they don't know any better.

With the planet having near-record high temperatures, it just doesn't make sense for there to be a whole lot of instances of extreme cold temperatures.

I wonder if it is not so much record low temperatures as it is that they are just in the wrong season.  Something I have been noticing the past few years is a season shift.  Last year we had a very hot September (instead of July) and we had snow in March!  Arkansas had inches of snow in March!  And we were wearing t-shirts in December.  It's almost as if each season moved by at least 2 months. 

Now this could be a result of La Nina, which has been around.  But is the presence of La Nina and El Nino not related to our climate change taking place?  Wouldn't warmer temperatures lead to melting ice which would cool the oceans and cause La Nina to cool our climate?  Kind of like a pendulum, if it swings higher on one side then the reaction is to swing higher on the other.

Melting ice doesn't cool the oceans by any significant amount because the ocean water in the area where the ice is melting is at the same temperature.  Plus the oceans are warming significantly due to global warming.  Something like 90% of the extra energy trapped by the enhanced greenhouse effect goes into warming the oceans.

I've heard people theorize that global warming and El Nino/La Nina may be somehow connected, but for the most part, they're independent of eachother.  Sometimes you just get weird weather.

That's why I prefer the term "Global Weirding". I thing 'global waming' is a misnomer which - although statistically acurate - miscommunicates the true problem.

It probably should have been a clue when the chicken-little (Gores) stopped using the term "global-warming" for the hoax and started using "climate change"

I guess that means the average temperature for the earth can cool, and CO2 and HCFCs and breathing is causing the cooling. But I thought "The debate is over rising CO2 levels will cause temperatures to rise, period." Isn't that what you have been told, too? That the debate is over, global warming is here, irreversible, caused by human activity, etc.

This is a gov't created scheme to tax your breathing and everything you do. Sorry.

I know this is like some people's religion, but its a fraud. Just like a lot of religions. Al Gore owns the company you will be buying "carbon credits" from. LOL

The climate of the earth has been changing forever. It will always change. You can't stop it, you don't cause it. This scheme was all laid out and documented in a government sponsored report called "The Report From Iron Mountain on the Desirability of Peace"

That is a great place to get started learning the facts and fiction.

Are you being serious, naturalsoap?  Because the whole "they changed the name from global warming to climate change" myth really has no basis to it.  In fact, the only known evidence of such a statement is from Republican strategist Frank Luntz.

As for your "gov't created tax scheme" theory, climate scientists don't really get anything out of taxing us for breathing, so I'd have to say that's kind of a silly argument.

Aside from the fact the IPCC was always the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and never the Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming.  The IPCC was founded in the late 80's.  Scientists have been relentlessly honest that the average warming caused by increasing CO2 would modify climate and that the warming would be highly nonlinear in character.  That people didn't understand this message until relatively recently is not entirely their fault. 

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OK, seriously:  

"One clue we can see is that NASA has been reworking recent temperatures upwards and older temperatures downwards - which creates a greater slope and the appearance of warming. Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre has been tracking the changes closely on his Climate Audit site, and reports that NASA is Rewriting History, Time and Time Again. The recent changes can be seen by comparing the NASA 1999 and 2007 US temperature graphs. Below is the 1999 version, and below that is the reworked 2007 version."

Here you can clearly see an insignificant temperature increase of less than 1 degree over the last 200 years. You can also see an abrupt cooling over the last several years.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/

http://www.odu.edu/ao/instadv/quest/Greenhouse.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=288952680655100870

Why the temperature hoax while air and water pollution is serious and ignored?

http://www.teachpeace.com/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

The earth has been 10-15 degrees C WARMER than it is now for most of the last 500 million years. Was that because of human activity???????? The solar cycle is the cause of increased temperatures on this planet and other planets in the solar system.

http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm

"Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.

Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece

Don't be the last horse to cross the finish line.

http://www.internet-grocer.net/hotrcool.htm

So, ya. Sorry I'm not drinking the kool-aid. I can't look at all this and draw any other conclusion.

I really don't have the patience for this, but anyone participating in this discussion needs to keep the Huddler Terms of Service in mind.

Just to put my two cents in, I think we all know that engaging in this discussion would be a complete waste of time, so I would suggest leaving it be.

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I really don't have the patience for this, but anyone participating in this discussion needs to keep the Huddler Terms of Service in mind.

 

Just to put my two cents in, I think we all know that engaging in this discussion would be a complete waste of time, so I would suggest leaving it be.

Well, it was an interesting and unique assortment of references.  I really liked the ODU citation from their puffy magazine.