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Biolet Toilet Review

“When my Biolet Composting Toilet motor broke, Biolet's tech support, Jim Weaver' postulated excuses saying I was at fault, so to not honor their written warranty. With out seeing the defective part he refused to honnor their warranty and charged me $131 for a new motor while my toilet was under warranty."


What is Wrong with the Toilet?.........

"When an electrical switch broke, Biolet refused to quickly supply me with a new switch. After debating the problem over 10 phone calls and 21 days later, with out the use of my toilet, they finally delivered the $10 part.

The contineously running fan dries out and hardens the toilet matter preventing the movement of the mixing rake and possibly damaging the motor.

The flaps which prevent viewing the toilets contents become inoperable after the first week of use. They get stuck in the open position due to neglected design.

My toilet had mismatching nuts and bolts as if an other toilet was canniblized to put this one together.

"Biolet falsly advertises that you empty the toilet tray once every six months.  I have found that one use per day requires the toilet to be emptied every 10 days. According to  their logic,"If you don't use it at all then you don't ever have to empty it."

 


Customer Service?

The husband and wife team which manage Biolet USA are a team effort to cut expenses when it it comes to customer service. The will make every effort to delay your request for warranty service when something goes wrong with your Biolet Toilet. Their approach is to delay any conclusion to your problem which requires part replacement, in hope that your toilet will by a miracle start working again, or, you, the customer will give up and go away.

My warranty will expire shortly and I will be very happy when this happens, because I will have no more fruitless expectations from Biolet. They should be happy about this also, except for the fact that I plan on maintainging this web page, writing to: (Retailers) Home Depot, Ace, The BBB, AARP, Ohio's AG Consumer Protection Dept. Canada and Europe's Biolet Centers and anyone else who will have influence in correcting Biolet's USA's unethical practices.


A letter to Biolet CEO

Sept. 26, 2007


LETTER TO:

Biolet USA CEO
150 East State Street
Newcomerstown, OH 43832

Re: Warranty Not Honored.

I have had an unusually difficult time getting cooperation from you service/tech department. I owned a Deluxe Biolet for just under 3 years. I have found it to be more functional in composting waste than other brands of composting toilets on the market, however.........

When my toilet was not working six months ago in the middle of the week, it took five phone calls to your automated answering system before I could navigate through its kinks only to leave a message. A day later a female called me who told me that no one was available to talk to me for two days. The weekend came and went. Four days later latter I got a call.

After debating the issue with the technician Jim Weaver in 5 more phone calls (10 total) over 21 days (without a toilet), Biolet finally agreed to send me the $10 switch, which kept my $1600 toilet from functioning. The new switch solved the problem as I initially said to the first person I had talked to. This is the worst customer service I have ever experienced. My time invested, as your would be, is worth 20 times the cost of this switch.

The above is my first encounter with Biolet’s customer service. My second experience was as follows.

On 9/20/2007, the toilet’s motor broke. It stopped turning the rake. The warranty was one month away from expiring. The grate appeared to be slightly (1/16”) buckled and the lower rake dragged on it unlike the rest of the grate. After discussing the symptoms with your technician Jim Weaver, he agreed the motor was broken. Ignoring what I had said about the grate and with out any evidence, he said, “ These motors don’t just brake. You must have put something in the toilet to cause the motor to brake.” He accused me of voiding the warranty and said you’ll have to pay for a new motor.” He implied, that it looks suspicious that it broke down one month before your warranty expires.” When I questioned how he could conclude all of this with out even seeing the unit he replied, “Others have done this. I see it all the time.”

Even though the Deluxe Biolet toilet was still under warranty, I had no choice but to pay for another motor. And so on Sept 20th 2007, I paid $109 for the motor and $21 for the shipping. If you cared about the inconvenience your put your customers through (with out use of a toilet), you would overnight the motor. If you did not really care, USPS priority would have cost under $9 and it would have arrived 3 days later. But if you wanted to make your customers miserable and agitated, you would charge them $21 for shipping and 7 days later they would still have not received the motor. The later is what Mr. Weaver has chosen for me. Your technician would not even respond to my email when I asked how and when it was shipped.

Mr. Weaver advised me that for the most part he had concluded that I voided the warranty but he would reverse the charges for the motor, if, when I send him the old motor, he concludes that it is not my fault. He has already made up his mind. Why should I waste my time and money on shipping just to be further subject to his accusatory treatment?

Am I guilty for what others may or may not have done? This manner of treatment is degrading and insulting. Does your technician treat all of your customers this way or just the ones with Hispanic names? I am a rural homebuilder and I make recommendations to my clients all the time for various products. What do you think I will have to say to my customers about Biolet? You get an idea of what I will say from the forwarded copies of the letters I will send to the Headquarters and local stores of Home Depot, Ace and the BBB about your customer service and warranty violation.

Each time I bring a problem to Mr. Weaver, he has left me with the distinct impression that he has gone out of his way to make my experience with him as inconvenient as he can get away with. My only experience with this uncalled for harassment has been from a racist or a mentally disturbed person

My only relief from this abusive experience from Biolet is the fact that I will have no expectations from Biolet in a month when my warranty runs out. However, I have an idle web site, which I will dedicate to Biolet by posting this letter and invite any other similar comments so to warn others of what kind of an experience to expect from Biolet.

You offer of a composting recipe to your customers and then accuse them of violating their warranty for using it. This is enough to initiate a class action suit against you.

Unless I hear something positive from you very soon, I’ll mail the letters to the mentioned retailers and more. I will seek out blogs and forums where I will submit comments about Biolet, advising others about your service. And I will start a web page disclosing your unethical practices.

Sincerely,

Jerry Gomez     (Biolet never replied to my letter.....however....)

 

 

 I just got a reply to this posting from customer Service at Biolet.  Thanks for proving my point Mr Wagner....Caution! He uses the F word...) 

Mr wagners reply....... (Honest!)

Why would you even throw the race card into your argument. Is it because you know you don't have a valid point or shot in hell and the race card is all you know how to play. Grow up, get a life, and accept responsibility when something breaks and you have to fix it. The world is not out to get you, you are not a victim, and nobody feels sorry for you. Boo Hoo Tear, Tissue. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

 

My reply:  You have a point.  This probably has nothing to do with Race or bigotry.  You most probably treat all Biolets customers this way.

It is obvious you are a "mentally disturbed person"! Thanks for clearing that up.


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Edited by iamjerry - Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:01:23 GMT

** edited for profanity


Edited by stins - Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:58:44 GMT
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6 months ago, our two person household purchased a Biolet 60XL (top o' the line model, rated for 4 people full time, 6 people part time use), and it has malfunctioned non-stop ever since, over saturating and filling with sludge every week. This, in spite of our two person household functionally consisting of 1 1/2 people (since my husband spends half the week away from home, running his practice).

 

Before you ask, let me offer that we had the unit professionally installed by a contractor who scrupulously followed all directions, and we've always used fresh, expensive, compost purchased directly from Biolet, USA.

 

Still, the 60XL has repeatedly over-saturated itself, resulting in our having to remove the entire unit from the house to clean the stinky, sludgy, really funky waste material out of the bottom (since on every occasion except one it had overflowed the collection basin). Since our November '08 purchase, we've had to remove it in its entirety to empty, clean & restart once every month. We now have a large holding container of toxic waste accumulating in our front yard. Yuck.

 

Several emails and phone calls to Biolet USA customer service have resulted in no response from the company. Yet they were only too friendly when accepting our $2000 when we bought the unit...

post #3 of 11

Guess you would recommend that all parties put this company on their toxic waste list!

 

 

post #4 of 11
My folks bought a biolet a few years ago and were very happy with it until it broke.  Started smelling very unpleasant.  The biggest problem they've had is that there seems to be no one who can actually tell them what's wrong or how to fix it and the company itself absolutely does not respond.  Dad's been on hold with their "Help Line" 4 times for over 10 minutes at a time and no one ever answers the call. 
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My XL60 did the same thing.  I found corroded and broken wires behind the cassette.  It was on a little brown box that looked like it was wired to the thermostat.  You have to remove the 4 screws of the panel and look behind it.  Be careful for the rod that comes up from the float if you have one.

So it turns out the the thermostat tests all worked but the wires were broken so the elements would not heat up.

 

Good luck

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This is a letter I wrote to Biolet just before I landfilled the piece of junk and switched to a humanure system which functioned without a hitch--

To Whom It May Concern: I bought a Biolet Delux in August of 2004 for about $1600 dollars. It was my understanding that the toilet was easy to install and tried and true (over a million sold worldwide, according to the website.) Now, when the package arrived, I was very excited, along with my environmentally conscious friends. Unfortunately, the unit arrived without the Installation Video. Not to be thwarted so easily, I decided to look to the paper Biolet owner’s manual, assuming it would provide all neccessary information—afterall I am a carpenter, I should have no trouble. OOPS! No instruction booklet either. Okay, no problem, I’ve got a fax machine. A quick phone call and we’re under way. I read the instructions over carefully, to make sure I have a good grasp on what I need to do. I proceed to install the toilet, though it is a good thing I am a carpenter, because the directions leave a few gaps. For instance, as I learned later, it is of the utmost importance for proper draft that the pipe insulation be cut at the roof angle so that the pipe section inside the flashing is fully covered. Lucky I thought of that myself because the directions don’t mention it. Another thing the directions skip over is the fact that the included pipe insulation does not fit over the bells in the 2 inch pipe. Strange, you would think they would’ve solved this problem after selling a million of these things. So I wrapped the joints in insulating tape. Also, the directions for installing the roof flashing itself are quite vague, and if I understand them correctly- suggest that I install the flashing so that only the top course of shingles is over the top of the flashing. Again, it’s a good thing I’ve spent lots of time fixing just this sort of roofing mistake, or my roof would be leaking in a few years. (With proper installation, no silicone should be necessary, or even wanted) Okay, extend the pipe above the peak, got it. If only the booklet mentioned something about windy areas… I may well have saved tons of trouble. Roof work complete, I’m ready to start up the toilet. I get out the bag of starter mulch and read the directions. I did it all. Got it going finally. Now, after a year and 1 half of trying to use this toilet, and several phone calls to Biolet, I have come to the conclusion that it is unfair for me to continue trying to get this thing to work. First, the motor went, I was told it was the sheer pin. They sent me some, but the sheer pin was fine. About a week later, they sent me a new motor which I installed. Of course, when you install a new motor, you must free up the mixing arm, which means completely emptying the toilet via any means you can. (The little L shaped metal “manual mixing rake” is about as handy as a parachute in a submarine) So I get out the shovel and clean out the toilet (dry compost material is like mortar) and replace the motor. Now, shouldn’t a motor equipped with sheer pins specifically designed to break before the motor burns out, be protected by those very sheer pins? Anyway, that done, we continued to use the toilet, buying mulch from Biolet when necessary for a whopping $30 per bag, plus $8 shipping. (I subsequently made some myself using their recipe for about $5 for the equivalent amount) But be careful, use of any mulch besides Biolet Approved mulch could void the warrantee. So I must pay $38 Dollars per bag for little more than dirt and wheat hulls until my warrantee expires—at 1 bag per three months for two people times three years: that’s $482, not adjusting for inflation. So after a couple more months, the moisture level fluctuating constantly and uncontrollably, after I’ve added water here and turned up the “thermostat” there, read the owner’s manual again and again as though I’m Indiana Jones sleuthing for some cryptic secret path to the composting grail, made several phone calls to Biolet who suggested that I add coarse perlite in greater and greater proportion to my mulch to eliminate the unpleasant odor caused by the moisture level I attempt to maintain for fear of running too dry and breaking the motor again… the motor stops again, and I shovel the toilet out, again. The Biolet folks ask if I or my girlfriend are vegetarian or have cancer… Neither of these things are listed as problems on the website or literature mind you. I am at a loss. I want my money back because the toilet does not work for me. The people at Biolet are positive it must be something we can fix. But for how long can I be strung along in the hope that someday I can once again defecate and micturate without worry. (Its been a year and a half already) I am afraid that I will continue to nurse this optimistically overzealous contraption along for three years and then, when my motor breaks, I will be paying an extra $100 or so dollars when I buy my $30 dollar mulch, but at least I’ll be getting more for my $8 shipping. The environment is important to me, much more than money or business. I live on a 100% solar powered ranch in Northwest New Jersey, and wish so badly that I could say I live on a functional composting, solar powered ranch in Northwest New Jersey. But I can’t. At this point I would pay Biolet another $1600 to have avoided the experience all together. I know that the environmental movement is one that spreads largely by word of mouth and through environmental literature, and I’m sorry that I cannot give Biolet my recommendation through those avenues. As it stands, I may even need to be vocal about my experience to spare others the aggravation. I think your product needs some more streamlining. At the very least, the instructions should be much more detailed. If you know shifting wind patterns can be a problem, include that. If you know people are installing these things wrong, draw some more pictures. These simple suggestions could save you lots of money, and your customers time in nose plugs. Plus, why not make the thermostat a functional realtime, perhaps even digital, thermostat. This would allow the user to have a bit more control. Just an idea… Unfortunately, I cannot in good conscience, resell this toilet on Ebay, as Biolet suggested, because I would have to lie to do so. I have had no success with the toilet, and pawning it off on someone else to reclaim some of my investment would be unethical. I still however remain hopeful that you at Biolet will see clear to simply return my investment, and I will gladly return your merchandise. P.S. If you have sold a million toilets, and have made only $100 profit on each, that's $100,000,000. What is a well written, widely published description of an attempt to use one of these silly things worth?

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I wish I had read these reviews before buying my Biolet 20. I've only had it a couple months and the fan has stopped. I have been trying for the last two days to get through to Biolet and they simply will not answer the phone or return my message. All I wanted to know is how to open the thing up. As an electrical engineer, I think I can fix a simple fan problem but it's a mystery how to remove the open portion of the toilet and I'm afraid of cracking the plastic. If anyone knows the trick, I'd be very grateful for your help. 

 

If enough people are having problems with their Biolets and the company is refusing to honor their warranties, I think it's time to start a class action suit.

post #8 of 11

"Class action suit" has a nice ring to it at this point in my experience with the product and the technical support "group."

DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE SHABBILY CONSTRUCTED PIECES OF CRAP!!!!!

 

And don't bother calling their tech support. It's all your fault anyway, and if you need parts, don't count on them remembering to send them.

These people are corrupt, lazy, miserable excuses for human beings and should be sued into non-existence. You would be better equipped with a

5 gallon bucket and a stir stick.

 

Whew! I needed that!

 

 

 

 

post #9 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ View Post

Guess you would recommend that all parties put this company on their toxic waste list!

 

 

You number one priority would be to avoid the Biolet or anything that resembles it in form or function. Then put them on whatever list feels good to  you.
 

 

post #10 of 11

Just another ho-hum day in Biolet paradise. HAHAHAHA

As a 9th grade science project this thing may have some merit, but as a consumer product sold to the well-intended public........NAH!

post #11 of 11

To say the "biolet commode" is a disappointment is an understatement.  I bought one for $1600.00 so my mother who lived in a dry cabin (no plumbing) could

have it easier than going to the outhouse at 20 below zero.  She was 60 years old then.  I had it professionally installed & they followed  the instruction booklet.

It worked for about 1 1/2 months with the moisture level being a constant fight.  The mulch (from biolet) was unmanageable & the fan could never keep up

(deluxe 4 person full use) with just a one person use.  I cleaned it once a week for her & still the entire system was over taxed.  I finally apologized to her for the

aggravation it caused her & moved the entire system out of the cabin.  I would never waste my money on anything this company produces again. 

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