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There's been a lot of buzz about the Tesla, especially since the release of the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car".  But Tesla's not the only one working on EVs.  Sure, they're the only one working on creating the electric alternative to your Ferrari, your Lamborghini, your (insert sports car name here).  But for those of you looking for an alternative, Miles Electric may be for you.

 

Miles Electric currently offers low-speed cars and low-speed trucks.  These are good options for people who take local roads (the high speed for some Miles vehicles is 25 MPH) and don't too far (the low-speed vehicles range from 40-60 miles).  But if you're not included in that category, you'll be happy to know they are working on a high-speed sedan.  The XS500 has a high speed of 80+ MPH and a range of 120+ miles.  It will be charged by any standard 220 V wall socket.  And the rumor is...it will be affordable!  That's right.  According to AutoblogGreen, the car should cost under $30,000. 

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Very exciting stuff. As excited as I am about the Tesla, it has been experiencing delays in trying to get a viable electric car launched. When are these guys going to be road ready?

 

Has anyone seen/driven one yet? We need to get some pages created for them in the Huddle!

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Originally Posted by Deej:

  When are these guys going to be road ready?

 

 

According to an interview from the end of October 2007 (at Green the Capitol Office Expo), the XS500 should be released sometime late next year (2008).  Hopefully it doesn't get caught up with delays!

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Looks like the folks over at Miles Electric were a little overly ambitious when they said their highway speed sedan would cost about $30,000.  This comes from

 

"In spite of all the attention that Tesla has drawn in the electric vehicle space over the last two years, few of us will ever be able to afford a Roadster or the WhiteStar. One ray of hope that many have been able to hang onto for an affordable all speed electric car was the XS500 from Miles Automotive (previously known as the Javlon). Unfortunately it starting to look like that car won't be much more affordable than a WhiteStar. Ever since Miles announced their intention to offer the XS500 they have been quoting a price of about $30,000 for the electric sedan that has the capability of traveling at highway speeds.

Miles has been working with the manufacturer to upgrade the power-train with items like an AC motor and lithium ion batteries. Also unlike Tesla they are not requesting a waiver on the advanced airbag regulation. All that stuff requires a lot of engineering which doesn't come cheap. According to Martijn Noordam at AllGreenVehicles, the European distributor for Miles, the XS500 should appear in early 2009 and the price will be approximately €40,000. At today's exchange rate that comes to about $58,750. That's not exactly mainstream affordable."

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No word in this article from VentureBeat about the price of the highway ready Miles vehicle, but they're definitely raising the capital necessary to do something big...just secured another $15M in financing. I love that the Venture Capital community is getting behind cleantech in such a big way...definitely a great start to ensuring exciting and necessary innovation.

 

"Miles Electric Vehicle is a fairly well-known maker of low-speed electric vehicles, which are only good for short distances in small towns or inner city environments. However, the company plans on releasing a model that can reach highway speeds in late 2009.

The company has plenty of competition, but relatively few electric car startups have attracted more than small rounds of funding.

Miles is distinguished by the normal appearance of its cars (many electric cars look distinctly odd) and by its outsourced production, which is all done in China. The company has attempted to keep costs low, in contrast to Tesla, which spared no expense on its $98,000 Roadster.

Angeleno Group, a private equity fund, led the $15 million investment into the company. Miles is based in Santa Monica, Calif."

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I saw a commercial for the new Chevy Volt concept car. It's electric and you have to plug this car in.

Electric cars that you plug in (plug in to the grid) are not exactly totally eco-friendly. Yes, they save a lot of gasoline. However, that energy has to come from somewhere. When you plug anything in, a lamp, your computer, or a car, the energy comes from your electric company ("the grid"). Most of the energy the electric company produces is from the burning of Coal.

40-60 TONS of Mercury is released into our environment (in the USA alone) every year, due to coal burning to generate electricity. Check out this link for more toxins related to burning coal.

So, how do you make an electric car totally eco-friendly?? Buy a solar panel for your home to hook the car up to for recharging. Now that's purely clean energy!

Another option, if your electric company offers clean energy options, then spend the little extra each month to help your electric company source from clean options such as wind, solar, or hydro powered energy.

Support Solar:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by organicgal007:

I saw a commercial for the new Chevy Volt concept car. It's electric and you have to plug this car in.

 Was this the commercial?

 

 

 


Edited by stins - Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:36:47 GMT
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Yes, that's the one. Too bad they don't mention recharging the car from a solar panel. That would rock mucho!

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I think the long-range Miles may be the most promising EV in the works.  It looks like a regular sedan, so it will appeal to the general public's aesthetics.  At $30-35,000 t's at the low end of the cost range of this class (comparable to Aptera and ZAP Alias), and it should be in production in 2009.  Plus Miles Automotive has already established itself with some similar short-range EVs.

 

I like the Aptera and Alias, but the Miles EV will definitely appeal to a wider range of consumers.


Edited by dana1981 - Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:12:15 GMT
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To reply to your post about 'how green is an electric car', well when you consider that an EV is 90% more efficient than a gas car, then even if every car on the road became electric, and plugged in, we'd see a decrease in oil use by 2/3rds, and 1/6th electricity increase. This was a very comprehensive study done by the Interstate Renewable Energy Council (irecusa.org). So it would still be a massive decrease of co2 emissions. That said, grid energy is only going to rise, and I completely agree with your point on going solar! And that is exactly what we at EA are up to. Bringing solar systems paired with electric cars to everyone. Have a look: www.electric-avenue.ca Most importantly, if anyone would take a moment to fill out this survey, it will be most helpful to getting the government's support on EV's. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=aWQlJK6pZXLbS4YT_2bEqabA_3d_3d
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Originally Posted by organicgal007:

I saw a commercial for the new Chevy Volt concept car. It's electric and you have to plug this car in.

Electric cars that you plug in (plug in to the grid) are not exactly totally eco-friendly. Yes, they save a lot of gasoline. However, that energy has to come from somewhere. When you plug anything in, a lamp, your computer, or a car, the energy comes from your electric company ("the grid"). Most of the energy the electric company produces is from the burning of Coal.

40-60 TONS of Mercury is released into our environment (in the USA alone) every year, due to coal burning to generate electricity. Check out this link for more toxins related to burning coal.

So, how do you make an electric car totally eco-friendly?? Buy a solar panel for your home to hook the car up to for recharging. Now that's purely clean energy!

Another option, if your electric company offers clean energy options, then spend the little extra each month to help your electric company source from clean options such as wind, solar, or hydro powered energy.

Support Solar:

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Not wanting to sound xenophobic, but it's Chinese, and they don't have a great record when it comes to safety or quality.
I guess everyone has to start somewhere....but it's my life and I'd like to have assurances through independent testers like the Euro NCAP to be sure I'm not going to end up spam in a can if I drive one.
 
At least the Tesla is backed by the considerable experience and know-how of Lotus engineering.

 


Edited by tanuki - Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:58:04 GMT


Edited by tanuki - Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:01:07 GMT
post #12 of 43
Thread Starter 

Here's a little update on the Miles ZX40ST Work Truck from AutoblogGreen:


It's been a month since we last wrote about Miles Automotive. Most of our recent coverage of the electric car company has revolved around the sounds-too-good-too-be-true XS500, a highway speed all-electric sedan that is - supposedly - about a year away. Now we have something new from Miles to write about. The 2008 Production Model MILES ZX40ST Work Truck, which was introduced today at the Green California Summit in Sacramento.

The ZX40ST (boy, that rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?) is a low speed electric vehicle (25 mph top speed) that uses six lead acid batteries (rated for 25,000 miles) and a brushless AC motor to go 50-60 miles per charge. It takes 4-6 hours to charge from 50 percent to full from a standard home outlet (so, I'll assume it takes about double that to charge from near empty?). Watch out, pedestrians, as this little guy can scoot from 0-20 mph in five seconds. These may not be spectacular numbers, but for what a vehicle like this is supposed to do, I'd say they're quite sufficient. Miles has announced that it is making 200 ZX40STs a month and is sold out through June. The truck costs $18,400.

 


As for Tanuki's post...I've read that the MIles EVs are manufactured in China but Miles is an American company based in Santa Monica, CA.  Given that the maximum speed of the work truck is only 25 MPH, its applications are somewhat limited which probably means it won't frequently end up against big SUVs flying down the freeway. 

 

But hopefully customers like Stanford and Yale, which have quite a bit of campus space free of significant auto traffic, can successfully switch over to electric vehicles instead of using gas powered golf carts and of course avoid making their drivers spam in a can.

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Looks a lot like the ZAP Xebra truck

post #14 of 43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dana1981:

Looks a lot like the ZAP Xebra truck

 

Yeah, but the Miles truck isn't three wheels.

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Originally Posted by stins:

 

Yeah, but the Miles truck isn't three wheels.

 

True.  They also swap speed for range.  The Xebra truck can go 40 mph, but only 25 miles per charge (without battery upgrade).

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Originally Posted by dana1981:

 

True.  They also swap speed for range.  The Xebra truck can go 40 mph, but only 25 miles per charge (without battery upgrade).

Well its true that the Xebra can go 40 mph but the Miles ZX40S could also go 35 mph if it was not government limited. The reason it can only go 25 mph is because it is considered a LSV and has different safety standards. The Xebra is considered a Motorcycle and therefore it does not have to meet safety standards.


Edited by islandgrin - Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:41:05 GMT
post #17 of 43

I would really like to see the upscale Miles!  Now that's an electric car!

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All electric cars should have an emergency fuel powered charger. Your local model airplane hobby shop can show you high powered engines for large model aircraft that weigh only a few pounds and may have as much as ten horsepower. This is enough for city driving when you also have a very big battery for high acceleration great fog lights to use.

 

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Edited by admin - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:51:51 GMT
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I own a 2005 Miles Electric car and I am having difficulty finding replacement batteries for it.  I have been unable to use the car because the batteries will no longer charge enough  to run the car for more than a mile.  I love the car, but without new batteries, it is useless.  I have been trying to E-mail the Mies company and keep getting an error message.  If anyone has any information about how to get new batteries for my 2005 Mies zx40, I would greatly appreiate hearing from you.

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I would look directly on the battery and maybe contact that manufacturer if there is one listed.  Also, be sure to have each battery tested, if the batteries are connected in series as most EVs are, then it could just be that one or two are the problem and the others are fine. 

 

I know for sure that they are using Absorbed Glass Matte (AGM) Deep Cycle batteries, but I don't know the brand.  ZAP uses Haze and Discover (12V 138 amp hours)  (they have recently had problems with the Discover batteries, but the Haze batteries are not as powerful and have half the range of the Discover).  You might shop around and see what brands there are available that are in the correct price range for you.  Definitely pay attention to the number of life cycles and try to get the highest number you can.

 

Keep in mind the different charging algorithms, your charger might need to be reprogrammed according to a new battery type.  And in some cases, you might not be able to use two different types of batteries if you want full power (if this is the case, you might need to replace all batteries and not just the weak ones.)

 


Edited by srj0385 - 4/15/2009 at 04:10 pm GMT
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Thread Starter 

Great info, srj!  I actually found an email adress for the media contact at Miles and sent along a quick email.  She said she'd pass it along to Kevin Kiley (Managing Director of the Low Speed Division).  So hopefully, michele, you'll get some more help!

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It's good to hear Americans who are cognizant of the reality of electric cars.

 

Please allow me to introduce you to the reality of all-electric cars, trucks and buses from Corvus Cars Ltd.

 

http://www.corvuscars.com

 

Please read what I wrote about the hybrid scam and how U.S. automakers have been lying their butts off for years now about all-electric vehicles: http://www.corvuscars.com/hybrids.htm

 

For approx. $14 billion, I'll replace each and every gasoline passenger vehicle in America with an all-electric car. A fraction of the bailout money could have bought real results and real change for America. See, http://www.corvuscars.com/obama.htm

 

Currently, by law, I can sell my all-electric vehicles only as low-speed vehicles. I need two million bucks to pay for DOT testing and to obtain DOT approval for my vehicles so I can sell them as high-speed vehicles for highway use on federal highways....until then, I sell low-speed all-electric vehicles.

 

btw, Americans wouldn't need to be downsizing their big SUVs, etc. if we were running all-electric vehicles. U.S. automakers have no intention whatsoever of EVER producing an all-electric vehicle for the masses. GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota and Honda continue to make sure they keep the gas flowing and the oil burning in American cars. They know they must NOT build a viable, all-electric vehicle for mass production, or they will put themselves out of business. GM and Chysler has already admitted on their own website they cannot build even a hybrid and sell it for a profit - even at $40,000 a copy. The GM Volt is a sorry hybrid. Hybrids will NOT bring us freedom from foreign oil dependence.

 

sincerely, Ron Harold CEO Corvus Cars Ltd.

ron@corvuscars.com

 

 

 

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"Hybrid cars" is really French for, "One way or another, we gotta keep the gas and the gasoline engine in our cars or we'll go out of business." The Big Three U.S. Automakers, Honda and Toyota are all guilty of keeping the gas and gasoline engines in their cars, instead of producing all-electric vehicles. GM and Chrysler admitted on their own websites they couldn't produce an "alternative vehicle" for less than $40,000 and make a profit; in fact, they don't even offer an all-electric production vehicle; GM's Chevy Volt rolls only 40 miles on electricity before the gas kicks in - yet it costs more than $40,000.

 

 

"Hybrid Vehicles" are for oil & gas producers, U.S. automakers and parts suppliers; hybrids are NOT America's answer to greenhouse gases and U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

The concept of a hybrid vehicle being environmentally-safe is wrong, ill-conceived, inapplicable and just plain not true. "Hybrid cars" is really French for, "One way or another, we gotta keep the gas and the gasoline engine in our cars or we'll go out of business." The Big Three U.S. Automakers, Honda and Toyota are all guilty of keeping the gas and gasoline engines in their cars, instead of producing all-electric vehicles. GM and Chrysler admitted on their own websites they couldn't produce an "alternative vehicle" for less than $40,000 and make a profit; in fact, they don't even offer an all-electric vehicle; GM's Chevy Volt rolls only 40 miles on electricity before the gas kicks in - yet it costs more than $40,000.
 
GM. FORD, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota all KNOW and REALIZE they must NEVER produce, promote and sell an all-electric vehicle, because if they do, they will kill their usual profit margins, kill their suppliers and the parts business; a gasoline engine has over 1,000 moving parts; parts that wear out, parts that break, parts that costs lots of money; parts that use oil and gasoline;
 
The electric propulsion system in an all-electric vehicle has very, very few moving parts; consequently, much less to break, much less to go wrong, much fewer parts sales, much fewer parts suppliers, NO gas and oil sales, much smaller profit margins to be made on fewer parts.
 
The old paradigms just don't apply; These U.S. gasoline automakers have no intention whatsoever of EVER mass-producing an all-electric vehicle; these corporations have been intentionally misleading the American public and Congress into thinking "hybrid vehicles" is THE solution - a solution "good enough" for our environment; well, it's just not true.
 
Hybrid vehicles ARE gasoline-burning, oil-burning, greenhouse gas plants on wheels. Gas, gas, gas, oil, oil, oil, go,go,go, burn, burn, burn.
 
Hybrid vehicles KEEP America DEPENDENT on foreign oil and gas.
 
Most hybrids — including those from Toyota and Ford — use a combination of parallel- and series-hybrid power so that they operate on internal combustion power most of the time, solely on electric power under certain conditions, and under both internal combustion and electric power in high-load conditions, such as intense acceleration or when climbing hills.
 
Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) system used in the Insight, Accord Hybrid and 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid typifies a parallel hybrid configuration, in which an internal combustion engine provides primary power with an electric motor supplying additional power during times of high demand.

The electric motor never powers the car on its own.
 
Hybrid vehicles are NOT the solution to America's problems of auto pollution and America's dependence on foreign oil.
 
Hybrid vehicles SOLVE U.S. automakers and parts suppliers' need to keep gas and a gasoline engine in America's cars. All that matters to them is to keep gas flowing and burning in the gasoline engines they sell.
 
America needs all-electric vehicles, in order to seriously reduce greenhouse gas emissions and end America's dependence on foreign oil. Hybrid vehicles do virtually NOTHING towards these ends.
 
Corvus Cars - 100% Electric http://www.corvuscars.com
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Dana, if you think Miles vehicles are impressive, take a stroll over to Corvus Cars.

 

http://www.corvuscars.com

 

Virtually all of Corvus Cars cost less than $20,000.

 

thank you, Ron Harold

ron@corvuscars.com

 

 

post #25 of 43

I offer all-electric vehicles that can travel fast highway speeds right here and now.

 

Miles Electric can provide a highway speed vehicle now as well.

 

Problem is, it cost approx. 2 million bucks to pay for the DOT testing required to have a chance at obtaining DOT approval for hi-speed use on federal highways.

 

That's why I sell low-speed all-electric vehicles; because like Miles, I need the two million bucks for DOT testing.

 

It's not like the vehicles don't exist - they most certainly do. Virtually all my vehicles can travel highway-speeds, but I cannot sell them as such until I obtain DOT approval for highway speeds.

 

Visit me at: http://www.corvuscars.com

 

Ron Harold CEO Corvus Cars Ltd.

Denver, Colorado

ron@corvuscars.com

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Tanuki, I'm so glad you brought the subject of quality up.

 

Like any other nation, you can find good and bad manufacturers; China is no different.

 

Fortunately for me and my customers, my Chinese manufacturer builds quality vehicles.

 

I remind you that just a few days ago, GM recalled 1.5 MILLION of their vehicles, due to oil leaking on the gas motors, causing fire to erupt.

 

I further remind you that all-electric vehicles only have a very few moving parts, whereas a gasoline engine has over a thousand mving parts that need to be replaced. You just don't have that kind of problem with quality all-electric cars. Electric automotive motors have been know to last over a million miles; they are only big as a large ham.

 

I can sell you an all-electric vehicle that has no motor (or transmission) under the hood; I offer hub vehicles - those are all-electric vehicles that have electric motors in the wheels!!!!!!!

 

You should read what I wrote about these issues at:

 

http://www.corvuscars.com

 

thank you, Ron Harold CEO Corvus Cars Ltd.

 

post #27 of 43

Attacking, whining, ranting & distorting facts is probably not the best way to convinve people that what you have is the best. 

 

Personally I would never buy anything from you after reading your posts.

post #28 of 43

Russ, obviously you don't know me or what you're talking about.

 

You sound really jealous and a typical lookie-lou - always looking and just complaining.

 

What have you done for your country Turkey's horrific pollution problems lately?

 

.r o n

post #29 of 43

Russ, I realize you're in Turkey, but you probably don't realize that I'm just about the only electric car dealer in America who sells all-electric vehicles for less than $20k.

 

I have virtually no all-electric car competition.

 

So what are you talking about?

 

Not much.

 

I didn't register and log-on to this blog to win a popularity contest, ask for your first-born or your hand in marriage; no, I simply want folks here to visit corvuscars.com and draw their own conclusions. Do you have a problem with that?

 

.r o n

post #30 of 43

Hi Ron,

 

Not to worry - I doubt you will ever win a popularity or sales contest. 

 

I was always told that you catch more flies with honey than with viegar though.

 

I suppose the other electric wannabees are shaking in their boots with your competetion. Chinese motors and all with the rather excellent name they have made for themselves the past few years.

 

I quote from your entry to me, "You sound really jealous and a typical lookie-lou - always looking and just complaining." Ron - you named yourself quite well.

 

I believe this blog has a 'no commercial policy by the way.

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